I'm with those speculating that GBs interest in the QBs may be hope to drum up interest in the 12 spot so they can drop to 15-20 and get anothe tier 2 pick.
Or are they trying to push teams in the teens to take a QB so that players fall into the early 20's, a player they could jump up from 30 to get? Ron Wolf always said there ~20 or so players they give a 1st round grade to in any draft.
El-Ka-Bong posted:Badger oline always bench weak, they seem to do fine
I'm not saying his low 20's bench hurts him or any long armed OT, but I think Nelson's 35 reps showed he had some intense strength and power. It was clear after that he was basically a perfect prospect. If Risner had shown that then I think he would be a top 15 pick easily, maybe top 10.
I'm also skeptical of the Packers' interest in a QB, but some aren't.
Rodgers contract alone prevents them from taking a 1st round QB. You take a QB in round 1 you play him. Not gonna happen.
S-M-O-K-E-S-C-R-E-E-N!!!
I wish I knew all 31 teams draft boards (except Green Bay's) so I could help out Gutey 
Packdog posted:Rodgers contract alone prevents them from taking a 1st round QB. You take a QB in round 1 you play him. Not gonna happen.
Rodgers was a first round pick. He sat on the bench for 3 years. And there was a HOF QB on the roster at the time with decent sized contract. It COULD happen.
I would agree with that more than wink if they didn't appear to be in so much more of a win-now mode. Don't have the luxury of investing a top 100 pick on a QB when you're trying to patch enough holes on the roster for your current elite QB to drive them to Feb.
Same thing for Russel Wilsons contract - He will never be worth that much. Hilarious & I'm thrilled the Seahawks are now screwed
Packdog posted:Rodgers contract alone prevents them from taking a 1st round QB. You take a QB in round 1 you play him. Not gonna happen.
Nonsense.
If they thought Rodgers was going to retire within the next 3 years I could see it. Maybe he's given them some kind of indication he sees an end date although publicly hasn't he said he's going to play til 40? That's another 5 years, so that doesn't really help GB with a QB this year. If he's going to play 5 years then the rookie would be UFA by then. 2019 isn't the ideal year to draft unless another Aaron Rodgers fell to pick 30. I don't see that guy in this draft. Next maybe, if Herbert or someone crashed to pick 32 then I could see it, but this year the QB crop is fairly weak.
Yeah, I don't see a QB in round 1 even if someone drops to 30. If they draft a QB he's a backup and you don't spend a first round pick on someone that you hope plays 0 snaps in the next 4 years.
Too many holes to fill to be wasting picks on backups. A QB in the 4th round would make way more sense.
Ghost of Lambeau posted:Packdog posted:Rodgers contract alone prevents them from taking a 1st round QB. You take a QB in round 1 you play him. Not gonna happen.
Rodgers was a first round pick. He sat on the bench for 3 years. And there was a HOF QB on the roster at the time with decent sized contract. It COULD happen.
That was 14 years ago. Rodgers contract is massive and the CBA is now different.
With all the needs on this roster, the Packers don't have the luxury to pay one QB $35,000,000/year and another a first round salary to be a bench warmer.
The counterpoint is that with the rookie slotting, first-rounders earn less (in comparison to the salary cap) under the new CBA than under the old, right?
It's not time to draft a QB high. GB is a few years away from that.
michiganjoe posted:I'm also skeptical of the Packers' interest in a QB, but some aren't.
ugh. I hate both of those projected picks.
Bush would be fine. Tired if watching our lbs running after a running back. Bush can at least play.
Packdog posted:Rodgers contract alone prevents them from taking a 1st round QB. You take a QB in round 1 you play him. Not gonna happen.
AR sat on the bench for 3 years.
excalibur posted:Packdog posted:Rodgers contract alone prevents them from taking a 1st round QB. You take a QB in round 1 you play him. Not gonna happen.
AR sat on the bench for 3 years.
Different situation. 14 years ago. Rookie contract was 5 years back then ...team control. You're overlooking the key points... Rodgers big new contract and completing the roster with precious draft picks and limited available cap space. If we draft a 1st round QB that means we pass up highly rated players that can hopefully contribute sooner to another Rodgers championship. Too many other needs to have the luxury to sit a 1st round QB.
The Packers are "all in" with Rodgers signing a 4 year, $134,000,000 contract, including a $57,500,000 signing bonus, $98,700,000 guaranteed ?? Do we not have other roster needs ?? I'm all for developing a QB but not with a 1st round pick this year when we are tied to Rodgers for multiple years.
They are trying to build a Super Bowl roster. They are not that far away. At least I hope so or why pay Rodgers that kind of coin and add the high priced FA that they did. Not to mention adding a QB in a year when the QB's suck would be irresponsible. Finish the defense and add some key talent to win with your $135M QB. Add a QB late or next year.
If we come close to New Orleans 2017 draft (and our pick slots are very comparable) and we are right back in it.
Much easier to afford a first-round QB now with the wage scale than it was when AR was drafted. Don't see the Packers drafting a QB high unless something similar to 2005 happens- a very highly rated guy is sitting there and is just too good to pass up. Too many holes to fill to have the luxury of taking a QB high otherwise.
It seems logical that in a "win now" mode they would use any first round picks to shore up other positions around the QB or on defense. But, I would argue a "win now" mode would also include the one guy who touches the ball on every offensive play GB takes. The QB is a potential single point failure. And there is a chance that Gute & company might view ARs health as a liability and that they might need someone better to come off the bench if anything happens to AR than what Kizer provides - if they truly want to "win now". I am not saying it happens, but I would say it is in the realm of possibilities. As in any other year, until the draft happens and takes it's place in documented history - any scenario is possible.
excalibur posted:Packdog posted:Rodgers contract alone prevents them from taking a 1st round QB. You take a QB in round 1 you play him. Not gonna happen.
AR sat on the bench for 3 years.
and guys used to play without helmets
Grave Digger posted:If they thought Rodgers was going to retire within the next 3 years I could see it. Maybe he's given them some kind of indication he sees an end date although publicly hasn't he said he's going to play til 40? That's another 5 years, so that doesn't really help GB with a QB this year. If he's going to play 5 years then the rookie would be UFA by then. 2019 isn't the ideal year to draft unless another Aaron Rodgers fell to pick 30. I don't see that guy in this draft. Next maybe, if Herbert or someone crashed to pick 32 then I could see it, but this year the QB crop is fairly weak.
Totally agree that there isn't a Rodgers type of QB in this draft that would Gute saying be a wow I can't believe he fell to us. There are some decent QBs but nothing to me that is worth taking especially with all of the other holes this roster has.
I am sure that Rodgers has given the team an idea of how long he intends to play. That is never a sure thing due to injuries but I am sure that AR and Gute have had that conversation.
El-Ka-Bong posted:excalibur posted:Packdog posted:Rodgers contract alone prevents them from taking a 1st round QB. You take a QB in round 1 you play him. Not gonna happen.
AR sat on the bench for 3 years.
and guys used to play without helmets
According to this, helmets date back to 1893. The NFL would be born after that. So technically, there has never been an NFL game without helmets. I realize that the nature of the helmet has changed over the years - but in the NFL they have always been there.
The Heckler posted:Grave Digger posted:If they thought Rodgers was going to retire within the next 3 years I could see it. Maybe he's given them some kind of indication he sees an end date although publicly hasn't he said he's going to play til 40? That's another 5 years, so that doesn't really help GB with a QB this year. If he's going to play 5 years then the rookie would be UFA by then. 2019 isn't the ideal year to draft unless another Aaron Rodgers fell to pick 30. I don't see that guy in this draft. Next maybe, if Herbert or someone crashed to pick 32 then I could see it, but this year the QB crop is fairly weak.
Totally agree that there isn't a Rodgers type of QB in this draft that would Gute saying be a wow I can't believe he fell to us. There are some decent QBs but nothing to me that is worth taking especially with all of the other holes this roster has.
I am sure that Rodgers has given the team an idea of how long he intends to play. That is never a sure thing due to injuries but I am sure that AR and Gute have had that conversation.
Yes. It's funny how people like to try start pushing puzzle pieces together that don't necessarily fit. TT apologists might not agree, but AR really did "fall in his lap". Rodgers and Alex Smith were neck and neck as a potential #1 pick with all the credentials and TT couldn't ignore that at pick 24. None of the QB's in this draft are in the same category as AR or Smith. I have doubts that, prior to the draft, TT was looking for Favre's replacement. Favre wasn't really talking about retirement at that point. He was still going pretty strong up until throwing that dagger interception in the 2007 NFC championship game with the Giants. The retirement rumblings started right after that. With all that said, the Packers could still be looking for QB, even if it's just as a potential quality back-up. Just likely not with that first pick. 30, maybe, depending on how Gutie evaluates Lock or Jones (I'm assuming Murray and Haskins are long gone).
The difference I see with a 35yo AR and the 35yo BF discussion is AR has not discussed retirement and actually has said he wants to play to 40+.
If AR is out any length of time this year, would they be better off with a 1st or 2nd rd pick or Tim Boyle?
That would be about even....Boyle or a rookie. However if AR is out for any length of time it would move the QB position to the forefront next year IMO.
This draft is mucho important, they need to hit on several choices. They may have a real position of need in the next couple of years.
I'd be pissed if the Packers wasted the#12 pick on Lock or Haskins. Beyond all the contract issues, whether Rodgers can play 4-5 more years, comparing the Rodgers pick to Lock/Haskins, and the philosophy of drafting a QB, developing him, and getting ready to move on from Rodgers............I just don't think Lock or Haskins are that good. I think these two are Locker, Bortles, Gabbert, Ponder, etc. all over again - only reason they're being talked about as top 10 picks is because this years QB class sucks. I've heard a lot about how these guys stack up to last years QB class and consensus is they fall behind Allen and Rosen and are more comparable to Lamar Jackson. Well Jackson was picked at #32 so to say Lock or Haskins should be considered at #12 is insane, especially when we don't need a QB. Reaching for a need is bad in itself but we'd be reaching on a position that isn't a need. It's idiotic.
IMO, these interviews are in case one of these two falls to #30. It could happen in I don't fault Gute for being prepared like TT was prepared for a Rodgers fall. I still wouldn't like either at #30 but it makes some sense there. Guess we'll find out next Thursday.
Ubetcha posted:Yes. It's funny how people like to try start pushing puzzle pieces together that don't necessarily fit. TT apologists might not agree, but AR really did "fall in his lap". Rodgers and Alex Smith were neck and neck as a potential #1 pick with all the credentials and TT couldn't ignore that at pick 24. None of the QB's in this draft are in the same category as AR or Smith. I have doubts that, prior to the draft, TT was looking for Favre's replacement. Favre wasn't really talking about retirement at that point. He was still going pretty strong up until throwing that dagger interception in the 2007 NFC championship game with the Giants. The retirement rumblings started right after that. With all that said, the Packers could still be looking for QB, even if it's just as a potential quality back-up. Just likely not with that first pick. 30, maybe, depending on how Gutie evaluates Lock or Jones (I'm assuming Murray and Haskins are long gone).
I don't think anyone denies it was lucky that Rodgers fell to 24, the argument that people disagreed with was that it was an easy decision for TT and thus he should not receive any credit for making it. It was a tough decision, a career defining decision for a first year GM. If you listen to Andrew Brandt describe that time, they had a feeling it was going to be a possibility that one of the two QBs would be available to them. I agree that none of the QBs are apples to apples with that pick, it would be more comparable if a guy like Bosa or Q. Williams fell to 30.
There were a lot of other picks at that time TT could have taken...Roddy White, Heath Miller, Luis Castillo, Logan Mankins...
Next QB off the board after #12 was Jason Campbell and then a steep drop off after that...especially considering there were "experts" saying the 2007 class was way more STAAAAAACKED at QB than 2005.
2006 QB in first were Vince Young, Matt Leinart and the great Vajajay
2007 Jamarcus Russell, Brady Quinn
Ted deserves a lot of credit...#12 may have "fallen" to him, but knowing full well Washington needed a QB, he pulled the trigger. It was one move that shaped a franchise. It was his "trade for Bert Favor" moment.
I believe Andrew Brandt also said that Thompson only had 20 players rated with a D1 grade in 2005....and 19 of them were taken. Rodgers was the remaining D1 grade. They waited for trade calls, none came, and we ended up with one of the finest QB's to ever suit up. Career defining is right !!
I don't believe this years QB crop presents that opportunity.
Best part of this QB chatter is that 2, or hopefully 3, QB's will be taken before our Pick(s).
Packdog posted:I believe Andrew Brandt also said that Thompson only had 20 players rated with a D1 grade in 2005....and 19 of them were taken. Rodgers was the remaining D1 grade. They waited for trade calls, none came, and we ended up with one of the finest QB's to ever suit up. Career defining is right !!
I don't believe this years QB crop presents that opportunity.
Best part of this QB chatter is that 2, or hopefully 3, QB's will be taken before our Pick(s).
Absolutely, the more the better. My whole point was just regarding some draft prognosticators trying to draw a parallel between the Packers choosing AR to possibly prepare for AR's departure and taking a QB early in this years draft. All this just to make a story. I believe the whole premise is flawed. There was no talk about Favre retiring at the time. Full credit to TT for making the pick, securing his place in Packer history. JMHO, but I think he was just doing what a good GM should do and recognized the value and stuck to his board. The circumstances now are completely different. Barring injury AR's not going anywhere for a while.
Brandt sharing his story again with an annoying interviewer that kept interupting him. Another dynamic from that interview was Brandt getting phone calls from Bus Cook right after the pick complaining about the pick and then from Aarons agent for several years complaining that FAvre was never going to retire
Floridarob posted:Brandt sharing his story again with an annoying interviewer that kept interupting him. Another dynamic from that interview was Brandt getting phone calls from Bus Cook right after the pick complaining about the pick and then from Aarons agent for several years complaining that FAvre was never going to retire
Some great stuff in that clip. Thanks for posting.
Great video. It would've been much better if the little guy would've STFU and let AB just talk.
I still love me some Hockenson, but a guy that is really starting to grow on me at 12 is Brian Burns. He has produced big time at every level. He was a 5-star kid coming out of HS and and was a Freshman All-American after his first season at FSU where he posted 9.5 sacks and 10.5 tackles for loss. Last season, Burns posted 52 tackles, 15.5 tackles for loss, 10 sacks, 3 pass breakups and 3 forced fumbles. He measures in at 6'5", 249 lbs and ran the .40 in 4.53. He was also voted in as team MVP and team captain during his junior year.
I've seen several interviews with him and he comes across as intelligent, articulate and mature. This kid would be a great addition and would be a big time situational pass rusher right off the bat while he puts on some good weight.
Draft a QB almost every year, so you always have a pipeline of prospects for your No. 2.
Wolf picked a quarterback in seven of his 10 drafts with the Packers even though Favre was on the roster. All were taken in the fourth round later, and among those picks Wolf found four viable backups: Ty Detmer, Mark Brunell, Matt Hasselbeck and Aaron Brooks.
Where does Polite land? Talk is talk, but he was all over people's boards a couple months ago.