ammo posted:Is Bosa the next A.J. Hawk?
It's only a couple of takes and sandbagging season is in full effect but some seem to think he's maxed out.
No way on Metcalf or Gary. The production just isn’t there. I’m also starting to sour on a TE at 12. I think we can get a guy like Sternberger that will be damn good plus I really like Tonyan.
Edge, DT or OL at 12 if the right guy is there... or if Devin White falls. Maybe even Devin Bush.
Jonah Williams or Hockenson at 12. I’d love to see Williams in GB. Scouts say he blew 3 assignments at T in over 900 snaps last year.
GB can’t miss on that pick at 12. Can’t miss. Got to be a player that has years of tape with proven performance. Williams, Hock, Cody Ford, Devin White, Jawaan Taylor are all really good picks and fits for GB at 12.
12 is no place to eff around with “upside”. Has to be a player that can step in and start and contribute effectively on day 1.
J Williams and Hock are damn near perfect picks at 12. Both are going to be great NFL players and both protect the franchise while adding a nasty RTFB aspect to the new offense.
Would I love to see GB draft Jonah Williams at 12 and then trade way up to get Hock as well?
Yes. Most definitely yes.
Jonah Williams is not Quentin Nelson. But he’s really close. He’s a day 1 starter next to Bulaga and can step over to T if/when Bulaga is done. Hock is great at everything a TE needs to do.
Either would be a great long term choice at 12.
At guard, I'd be shocked if Williams is in the same universe as Nelson.
Not close to Nelson at G. Better at G than anything on GB roster today. Gotta think long term at RT.
In fairness, comparing a draft prospect to Nelson is a stretch. Not saying that shouldn't be the bar for any team, but its not very realistic.
Round 1 of the 2015 draft is on NFL Network. Man how exciting.
Boris posted:Round 1 of the 2015 draft is on NFL Network. Man how exciting.
Think they will draft a CB? I'm hoping for TJ Watt!
Pakrz posted:In fairness, comparing a draft prospect to Nelson is a stretch. Not saying that shouldn't be the bar for any team, but its not very realistic.
Considering he was a rookie and still just a, "prospect" last year himself I'm okay with using him as a baseline for comparison. Nelson is a perfect example of why crap like, "No guard is worth a high 1st Rd. pick" is BS to me. BPA regardless of position when you have needs up and down the lineup on both sides of the ball. Ask Andrew Luck if he was worth the 6th pick in the draft.
Nelson was a sure thing. He came with a money back guarantee. I don't think there's been a guard of his caliber for awhile. I remember Jeff Faine going in the 1st round and I thought that was a pretty damn good pick. In hindsight , he had a respectable career but not worth a 1st rounder.
I don't know if a guard isn't "worth" a 1st rounder rather it's one of the safest positions in the draft. You can get solid players in the mid rounds because they are relatively low risk.
Boris posted:Round 1 of the 2015 draft is on NFL Network. Man how exciting.
Are you warming up for Ramadan or something?
When you have the best QB in football you build the best lines you possibly can closest to the ball. Then work outwards with edge and TE.
Best short term pick is Oliver or Sweat. Best long term pick is J. Williams or Hock.
Im always going to be about building the best OL and DL possible. And I’ll always lean toward the best OL in football.
Henry posted:Nelson was a sure thing. He came with a money back guarantee. I don't think there's been a guard of his caliber for awhile. I remember Jeff Faine going in the 1st round and I thought that was a pretty damn good pick. In hindsight , he had a respectable career but not worth a 1st rounder.
I don't know if a guard isn't "worth" a 1st rounder rather it's one of the safest positions in the draft. You can get solid players in the mid rounds because they are relatively low risk.
Hockenson at TE is as Nelson was to G. You just don’t see that that kind of generational talent at a singular position often.
Question is. Does GB want a forever RT or the best TE in the draft?
And once again. **** you Spriggs!!!!!!
And Hockenson at TE is exactly Quentin Nelson at G. Generational talent. He’s the only sure all pro pick in this draft besides Q Williams IMO.
I like Hock too. I just dont think he has the speed to take him high. Mabe at 30 but you wish he was faster. Mcginns scouts are not as high on William as you are chili. They say he will most likely be a 1st round draft choice. He does not have the strength or athleticism to play tackle. In fact all the offensive tackles reviewed had serious warts. Dillard is best at pass pro. Taylor is best at run blocking, Ford may have best athleticism but needs more strength, and William's needs to play center because he not that strong. It will be interesting to see where it falls.
I am more in favor of moving up to get a difference maker. Q William's, Devon white. Or j Allen.
Packers did not sign Billy Turner to backup or be a swing tackle. I wonder if they would consider moving bulaga inside
Buluga isn't moving inside. I just can't see Buluga as a ZBS guard. The problem with Oline speculation is we're basing it on an old system. Mayo and Moe may be able to polish the uber-turd pussy with some athletic skills that is Spriggs into a workable alternate in the ZBS. Maybe they are looking at more of a pure pass blocker in the draft but I think it would be pretty stupid to not pick Williams if he's there.
give this draft simulator a go.
https://thedraftnetwork.com/mock-draft-machine
in my first one, ( 12 ) Jonah Williams OT Alabama (30) Noah Fant TE Iowa
Floridarob posted:Packers did not sign Billy Turner to backup or be a swing tackle. I wonder if they would consider moving bulaga inside
Let's be honest. The Bulaga situation will sort itself out by week 8 or 9 when he's got a knee or back injury. He will be moved to inactive, not guard.
How would people feel about something like this:
12: Brian Burns OLB Florida State - Rotational guy to start but pure burst off the edge.
30: Noah Fant TE Iowa - The way this works out, Fanst is one of the slot guys this season.
44. Nasir Adderly S Delaware - Free Safety with corner cover skills.
75: Isaiah Johnson CB Houston - Long corner with surprising agility but still a bit raw.
114: Khalen Saunders DL Western Illinois - Athletic bowling ball who is short, but can bring it inside.
118: Myles Boykin - WR Notre Dame - Seems to fit the mold of Packers receivers and a great value here.
150: Marvell Tell II S USC - Long, athletic safety with press corner skills
185: Tony Pollard RB Memphis - Offensive toy, not as natural a pass catcher as Darren Sproles but can do a lot of the same things, has speed and quickness and is a good kick returner.
194 John Cominsky OLB Charleston - Small school pass rusher to add depth
226: Trey Pipkins - OT Sioux Falls - Another small school guy who appears to fit the mold the Packers want.
+ It would add talent, versatility and depth to numerous defensive positions and add potential playmakers on offense. Adds two cover men with length should King get hurt again or for match ups.
- Doesn't add a true slot receiver or add much to the offensive line. With the secondary help it still likely relies on Jaire Alexander playing well for the entire season.
Need to restock OL. The last guy drafted does not do this. Forget Johnson, Tell and Cominsky and get some OL.
Looking at Beau Benzschawel profile on NFL.com it says this under strenghts:
- Stays low with good bend and lean as pull blocker
But under weaknesses it says this:
- Tackle build creates issues firing out with proper pad level
- How can both be true?
Floridarob posted:Packers did not sign Billy Turner to backup or be a swing tackle. I wonder if they would consider moving bulaga inside
At least not in 2019, he’s insurance for 2020 at RT. He’s not the long term answer at Tackle though. He’s the future at RG unless they miss out on an OT in R1 this year. I don’t see them missing out though, I agree with Ammo they will restock the LOS throughout this draft. They still don’t have depth at LT and really much OG depth unless Stuffed Jedediah finds his groove quickly. DL has some good depth, but we don’t want Dean Lowry starting. We need more impact players. 12 and 30 will be LOS most likely, TE can be addressed later in the draft, depth there is much better than at OL or DL.
You look at LAR and SF Oline’s, they’re not like the classic Alex Gibbs ZBS lines. Andrew Whitworth is not a classic ZBS player, neither is Mike McGlinchey. It seems the philosophy is to find 11 good players, regardless of “prototype”, and make the system work around them.
A R5/R6 player I think they might gamble on is USC LB Porter Gustin. He’s had tons of injuries, but if he beats the injury bug then you’re getting a really good edge player. Not an elite rusher, but he’s big, powerful, disciplined, with ultra high effort.
Herschel posted:How would people feel about something like this:
12: Brian Burns OLB Florida State - Rotational guy to start but pure burst off the edge.
30: Noah Fant TE Iowa - The way this works out, Fanst is one of the slot guys this season.
44. Nasir Adderly S Delaware - Free Safety with corner cover skills.
75: Isaiah Johnson CB Houston - Long corner with surprising agility but still a bit raw.
114: Khalen Saunders DL Western Illinois - Athletic bowling ball who is short, but can bring it inside.
118: Myles Boykin - WR Notre Dame - Seems to fit the mold of Packers receivers and a great value here.
150: Marvell Tell II S USC - Long, athletic safety with press corner skills
185: Tony Pollard RB Memphis - Offensive toy, not as natural a pass catcher as Darren Sproles but can do a lot of the same things, has speed and quickness and is a good kick returner.
194 John Cominsky OLB Charleston - Small school pass rusher to add depth
226: Trey Pipkins - OT Sioux Falls - Another small school guy who appears to fit the mold the Packers want.
+ It would add talent, versatility and depth to numerous defensive positions and add potential playmakers on offense. Adds two cover men with length should King get hurt again or for match ups.
- Doesn't add a true slot receiver or add much to the offensive line. With the secondary help it still likely relies on Jaire Alexander playing well for the entire season.
I am just not sold on Burns at 12. I just think you need a plug and play player that high up and Burns has some issues with coverage and defending the run. Fant would be ok at that point but the guy drops over 10% of the balls that are thrown to him. That wont work with Rodgers.
I am impressed tho that you made a mock without Deebo in it. Looks as tho you are preparing yourself.
Give me one of the following five players at 12, Dillard, Ford, Taylor, Wilkins, Bush and one of the following 5 at 30, Jacobs, Savage, Dexter Lawrence, Juan Thornhilll, Erik McCoy and the team just got a lot better.
But even if Burns WAS a plug and play player, he still wouldn’t start in 2019. They’re paying the Smiths to start at OLB. Even Bosa wouldn’t start over them in 2019. So why not give a player with Von Miller-type potential to take a redshirt year to improve his game?
I don’t think they will take Burns because 1) he’s not the type of OLB that Pettine seems to prefer...he seems to like veteran OLBs that are disciplined and complete in all areas. Burns is not a complete or disciplined player against the run.
Read this on Brian Burns.
Burns may not be plug and play, but give him some snaps as a rookie and I believe he'd be a real asset.
There’s a lot of potential with Burns. Elite pass rusher potential.
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his chart is higher than Clay Matthews was a the time Clay was drafted
Burns has the production and the measurables. He's also intelligent, articulate and was a team captain. The kid seemingly has everything you're looking for in a high draft pick. If he should somehow fall to 12, you sprint to the podium. The rest of the draft will work itself out.
I also think Hockenson is damn near a can't miss prospect at TE and worthy of being selected at 12. I really like Fant and Sternberger too.
skully posted:give this draft simulator a go.
https://thedraftnetwork.com/mock-draft-machine
in my first one, ( 12 ) Jonah Williams OT Alabama (30) Noah Fant TE Iowa
Fun site. My first draft: Ed Oliver, Dalton Risner, Nasir Adderley. GM of the Year!
ChilliJon posted:Jonah Williams or Hockenson at 12. I’d love to see Williams in GB. Scouts say he blew 3 assignments at T in over 900 snaps last year.
GB can’t miss on that pick at 12. Can’t miss. Got to be a player that has years of tape with proven performance. Williams, Hock, Cody Ford, Devin White, Jawaan Taylor are all really good picks and fits for GB at 12.
12 is no place to eff around with “upside”. Has to be a player that can step in and start and contribute effectively on day 1.
I am really on board with getting Jonah williams at #12. His track record of only f only blowing THREE assignments in 900 snaps is just insane. And not to mention he was doing this against SEC defenses.