El-Ka-Bong posted:Where does Polite land? Talk is talk, but he was all over people's boards a couple months ago.
Walter Cherepinski has him (Polite) all the way down to 42 at the Bengals
he still has TE Hockenson at 12 but has changed # 30 , just like Hungry5 said above, to QB Dwayne Haskins OSU
last update Wednesday April 17
Picking a QB every year made more sense before the current CBA. More practice time lead to better development. MM had his QB camp that if I remember right, was huge in Rodgers' development. That can't happen any more due to the limits on practice time in the new CBA so the the idea of taking a QB each year just isn't the same as it was in Wolf's day. Also, teams only keep 2 QBs these days (unlike the 3 they kept back in 90s) so again, less roster room for QBs. There use to be the specific #3 QB rule but they got rid of that and made it a regular roster spot. I love the idea of drafting and developing QBs, just don't think the Wolf model works any more. Not sure if there is a QB development model that works though.
And Polite had a horrendous combine both on the field and in interviews. Went from projected 10-15 pick to 2nd/3rd round.
i would pick polite in the 3rd...can't be worse than Abdul Hodge.
I'm all for taking BPA, but a QB doesn't make much sense to me. AR just signed a huge contract and intends to play another 5 years.
5th round and beyond? Why the hell not... R1 thru R4? Hell no.
I'm with you, he is still really talented (just not a 3 down player).
I also confess I might like Fant more than Hockenson, and I know Hock's mom.
Brian Burns not only has the physical gifts, but his football IQ and work ethic are also very impressive. Guy loves football and is willing to put in the work to be special. Would love for him to be a Packer.
Comments from a former coach :
“He learned how to set up offensive linemen in the pass rush. A lot of guys don’t understand how to do that,” Lawing says. “He would get upfield and do a jab exchange and go from a C-gap player to a B-gap player, create a soft foot on that offensive tackle. Use his speed and then use his finesse and then he’d come back with that big arm bar when those tackles started setting deep. They’re going backwards and he’s sticking them with that arm bar and getting them off balance.”
Pakrz posted:I'm all for taking BPA, but a QB doesn't make much sense to me. AR just signed a huge contract and intends to play another 5 years.
5th round and beyond? Why the hell not... R1 thru R4? Hell no.
Same here. There are just too many holes all over the roster to go with so many iffy options at QB. There just isn't anyone out there after the first couple of guys that would make sense.
We desperately need defensive playmakes, OL, and TE to go QB early.
I think the Packers "miss" on the 12 pick.
Hit a pro-bowler with 30.
And draft a real difference maker at 44, possibly HOFer.
"miss" = a guy that ends up playing around 10 years in the league at a productive level, but a miss because everyone expects a God at pick 12. But, fans will be unhappy because (so and so had a 3 year HOF career) they want to be so. I would be ok with this happening.
That said, I have no idea who these guys are at these pick. Heck, I live in Ficken Germany and it's what I like to do.
Honestly, I think there will be a lot of disappointed wannabe GM's regarding the pick at 12.
I just hope and trust the Packers get it right.
And, I am more excited about picks 30 and 44.
Pakrz posted:It's not time to draft a QB high. GB is a few years away from that.
It is always time. I just don't want them to do it this year.
Like every other player in the NFL, Rodgers is 1 hit/concussion away from calling it a career.
I would be fine with a QB in the first, just not this year. I don't like any of them.
Saw someone on twitter suggest we take Hock at 12 AND Fant at 30. That would be insane, but would make for a really fun offense. Graham and Fant split out wide, Adams in the Slot, Hock at FB/HB, Jones at RB is kind of an awesome base personnel that would be a weird curveball for defenses to adjust to.
Packdog posted:Brian Burns not only has the physical gifts, but his football IQ and work ethic are also very impressive. Guy loves football and is willing to put in the work to be special. Would love for him to be a Packer.
Comments from a former coach :
“He learned how to set up offensive linemen in the pass rush. A lot of guys don’t understand how to do that,” Lawing says. “He would get upfield and do a jab exchange and go from a C-gap player to a B-gap player, create a soft foot on that offensive tackle. Use his speed and then use his finesse and then he’d come back with that big arm bar when those tackles started setting deep. They’re going backwards and he’s sticking them with that arm bar and getting them off balance.”
He seems thin, like a basketball player, but will he be there at 30?
I would be shocked if Burns lasted til 30, but you never know.
He went from 220 up to around 250 for the combine....and his numbers were still very impressive.
GrainBelt66 posted:
I think the Packers "miss" on the 12 pick.Hit a pro-bowler with 30.
And draft a real difference maker at 44, possibly HOFer.
.......
Honestly, I think there will be a lot of disappointed wannabe GM's regarding the pick at 12.
I just hope and trust the Packers get it right.
And, I am more excited about picks 30 and 44.
I would agree with this pre-Gute. But Gute-n-loot may actually know how to draft first rounders.
Burns at 30? Hell, he may not make it to 12. No chance at 30.
Packers are going to trade up with jets or bucs and take Q William's or Devin White. I am making the call now. They will give up either 30 for the jets pic or 44 for the bucs pic.
No trade ups please.
So the former PinG is picking AJ Hawk at #12? 
Ghost of Lambeau posted:I would argue a "win now" mode would also include the one guy who touches the ball on every offensive play GB takes.
I don't know, pick 12 is kind of high to draft a center. Maybe with the 30th pick?
But seriously, the mode you are describing with picking a 1st round QB in 2019 is "continue to win later" or "backup plan for a disaster".
2020 is the year that the real franchise QB's are entering the draft. Guys that are going in the first round this year are probably not 1st round picks in good QB classes.
Hard pass.
Floridarob posted:Packers are going to trade up with jets or bucs and take Q William's or Devin White. I am making the call now. They will give up either 30 for the jets pic or 44 for the bucs pic.
Potentially the right move, perhaps the wrong player.
J.A.
1 - Brian Burns
1 - Dalton Risner
2 - Nasir Adderley
3 - J.J. Arcega-Whiteside
4 - Te'Von Coney
4 - Alize Mack
5 - Armon Watts
6 - Tyler Jones
6 - Jeff Smith
7 - Sutton Smith
El-Ka-Bong posted:I'm with you, he is still really talented (just not a 3 down player).
I also confess I might like Fant more than Hockenson, and I know Hock's mom.
Wonderful educator.
Packdog posted:I would be shocked if Burns lasted til 30, but you never know.
He went from 220 up to around 250 for the combine....and his numbers were still very impressive.
Aaron Maybin
Weight gain is similar but it sounds like Burns did it the right way and over a bit longer period of time. Maybin was a one year wonder in college and IMO was a one trick pony - one of those "run around the tackle" speed rushers with little plan and poorly developed counter moves. Burns on the other hand had 3 years at FSU and not only can bend it, but his hand use is excellent and he has a an array of moves and plays with a plan. High football IQ.
So who are the players you do NOT want to see drafted at the Packers first 3 picks. Mine at #12:
-Jawaan Taylor: I've seen him all over the board these last 3 months and seems like the "great size, ultra athletic with quick feet, but inconsistent and needs work on technique" OT that should be avoided high in the draft.
-Rashan Gary: A guy with his measurables should have dominated in college. And maybe if he was just really good, you can explain away not being dominant on coaching and scheme. But he just didn't show up enough. Again, you're rolling the dice that he can develop and at #12, I want a guy that can play.
-Cody Ford: I've seen him mocked to the Packers a few times so I guess it's possible. I'm just not a fan of drafting a guard this high. Problem is if he ends up being worth the #12 pick, then he's in line for the a massive second contract and as we saw with Sitton and Lang, great guard play doesn't get you as much as say, great secondary play or great pass rushing play. It's positional value and guard just doesn't have it.
-Any QB: Just makes no sense right now.
Who are the first 11 picks. I can figure the 1st six but the remaining high ranked appear to all have their warts. Murray, Bosa. Q William, J Allen, Devin white. Ed Oliver are locks in top 10 with montez sweat, jawaan taylor, and maybe Dillard and lock possible the next four. There the packers can have one of the Clemson linemen. Devin Bush, or cody Ford possible. I could see gute going after Josh Jacob's by trading down a little if the top 11 play out like that. He wont go TE at 12.
First 11 picks (no trades):
1) Arizona: Kyler Murray - at his point it's not a secret. While I think it's the wrong pick, it's the one they're going to make.
2) San Fran: Nick Bosa - crazy to take another DL when they've already spent premium picks on Thomas, Armstead and Buckner but they still lack a consistent pass rush. Bosa is the best pass rusher in the draft, so they take him.
3) NY Jets: Quinnen Williams - They picked the wrong year to suck as they really need offense to help Darnold. Instead they take BPA in Williams, who does fit a need.
4) Oakland: Josh Allen - Pretty stupid in hind sight but this pick just replaces Mack (or attempts to). Not exactly how you win, by trading your best player then spending a premium pick in an attempt to replace him.
5) Tampa Bay: Devon White - Here is where it gets interesting. They could take Oliver but they drafted Vita Vea last year, so taking another DT in the first would seem unlikely. I've heard they love White so sticking with him.
6) New York Giants: Rashan Gary - I don't like him but Giants are idiots and really need help on the DL and Gary fits the type they like - a guy that plays end on first and second downs then slide inside on third down.
7) Jacksonville: TJ Hockenson - They signed Foles so need to get him weapons. I think this is high for a TE but Jacksonville's needs just don't match up with the draft board, so Hock it is.
8) Detroit: Montez Sweat - I'm kind of hoping this is the pick as I like Burns more and want him to fall to the Packers. But Sweat actually fits the Lions better as a 4-3 DE.
9) Buffalo: Ed Oliver - They really need a WR or OL but I don't see any players worth this pick at those positions. Hock would be the man if he was here. They could use better DT play, so Oliver is the pick.
10) Denver: Devon Bush - I think the Broncos will try and trade back but with Haskins and Lock still there, there's no reason for a team to trade up yet. Broncos have no ILB right now so my bet is they reach for Bush.
11) Cincinnati: Dwayne Haskins - They're done with the Dalton era. His contract gives him one more year then it's an easy out next offseason (with no dead money). New coach = new QB. This pick could also be Lock - but I'm betting it's a QB.
With Haskins gone, pick #12 becomes a bit more valuable as there's only one more first round QB on the board in Lock. So trading back could happen. If not, the pick has to be Burns. I just don't see anyone else worth this pick (depending on how you view Jawaan Taylor).
CUPackFan posted:So who are the players you do NOT want to see drafted at the Packers first 3 picks. Mine at #12:
-Jawaan Taylor: I've seen him all over the board these last 3 months and seems like the "great size, ultra athletic with quick feet, but inconsistent and needs work on technique" OT that should be avoided high in the draft.
-Rashan Gary: A guy with his measurables should have dominated in college. And maybe if he was just really good, you can explain away not being dominant on coaching and scheme. But he just didn't show up enough. Again, you're rolling the dice that he can develop and at #12, I want a guy that can play.
-Cody Ford: I've seen him mocked to the Packers a few times so I guess it's possible. I'm just not a fan of drafting a guard this high. Problem is if he ends up being worth the #12 pick, then he's in line for the a massive second contract and as we saw with Sitton and Lang, great guard play doesn't get you as much as say, great secondary play or great pass rushing play. It's positional value and guard just doesn't have it.
-Any QB: Just makes no sense right now.
1. Brian burns
2. Metcalf
3. Any cornerback
Who to not pick:
A QB
DK Metcalf
A punter, kicker or long snapper
Fedya posted:So the former PinG is picking AJ Hawk at #12?
Unfortunately, PinG does not have a single pick in the upcoming draft.
And, the Packers could do a lot worse than A.J..
Hawk seems like a bargain compared to Mandarich. 🙄
A player doesn't stay in the NFL for as long as Hawk did without having skills.
Was he worth his draft position? No
But, he was always available and provided average to above average play.
I have never agreed with all of the Hawk bashing, but, he was vastly over-rated going into the 2006 draft. By everyone.
Is Bosa the next A.J. Hawk?
GrainBelt66 posted:A player doesn't stay in the NFL for as long as Hawk did without having skills.
Was he worth his draft position? No
But, he was always available and provided average to above average play.
I have never agreed with all of the Hawk bashing, but, he was vastly over-rated going into the 2006 draft. By everyone.
He played three years too long, past his ability to perform.
Good guy, good player but best suited (esp at the end) to a backup position. Somebody has to be the backup.
I would not take Metcalf, Gary or any of those top QBs. I'd look at a QB like Easton Stick in the 7th Round before even thinking of using any of our high draft picks on the so called star QBs available. I'd also pick Dillard over Jawaan Taylor or Jonah Williams and would pick Dalton Risner over Dillard for OT. I think DT Ed Oliver could fall to the Packers at #12. I think we grab him, if he's there and then go for an OL or TE at #30. Then a Safety at #44.
Fandame posted:Hawk seems like a bargain compared to Mandarich. 🙄
Two college steroid warriors. When they hit the NFL they both slowed down, got weaker and didn't play like they did in college.
If Gute were smart he'd trade down if he can. Drop 10 picks and grab an additional 3rd or late 2nd with a swap of other picks.
Safeties, TEs, interior OL, DTs and ILBs all come in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. And GB needs loads of them.
Packdog posted:Weight gain is similar but it sounds like Burns did it the right way and over a bit longer period of time. Maybin was a one year wonder in college and IMO was a one trick pony - one of those "run around the tackle" speed rushers with little plan and poorly developed counter moves. Burns on the other hand had 3 years at FSU and not only can bend it, but his hand use is excellent and he has a an array of moves and plays with a plan. High football IQ.
I personally don't have a problem with Burns as a player, he's been solid by all accounts. Packing on 30 pounds in a few months is always a flag for me. Maybe he did it right, can he maintain it? Honestly, if he can play consistently good ball at 230 who gives a shit? Good GM's won't give a shit.
