What do the asterisks signify?
Jeffrey Simmons is a woman beater, hope he's off GB's board.
packerboi posted:2019 NFL draft all sleeper team
Some interesting under the radar prospects in there
I wonder how many of these guys have been scouted by the Packers? I like the OLine guy from SDSU. One of those RBs would be a nice addition and wouldn't go too high in the draft, either.
I am leery of players from Alabama. HHCD and Eddie Lacy worked for a season or two and then did nothing for us. Jonah Williams, OL, might work out but if MLF moves him out of his position of strength, would he be as good? I don't know. Same goes for Deionte Thompson, Safety. I see another HHCD there and that all falls on HHCD in his play the last two seasons he was in GB. Some Mocks have Thompson going to GB at 12. Right now, the only guy from Alabama that I feel is worth his salt is DT Quinnen Williams. He could be the next Mike Daniels. GB will have little chance of getting him at 12, though.
Fedya posted:What do the asterisks signify?
Some get TWO asterisks!
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Polite looks like the kind of slippery freak on the edge that hates QBs and can run with anyone. I’d be fine with him at 12. His game looks like a polished version of Clay a decade ago. If it’s Polite and Fant in round 1 its a win. I don’t see Hockenson falling to 30. Polite and Fant are the kind of talent GB needs.
I’ve already had my annual “player I’d really love to see in GB but it’s probably not going to happen” service for Josh Allen. Because it’s not going to happen. But those wins coming down the stretch vs the Falcons and Jets were GREAT!!!! Looking back and all.
Josh Allen is my favorite player in this draft, but yeah, the chances of getting him are ridiculously poor. The only chance is if he somehow gets to #6 (which would mean the Jets stupidly passing on him, which is the latest he should go) then Denver trading with Detroit and three QBs in a row so the Packers could somehow make a trade with Buffalo (imagine an Edmunds/Allen LB combo if you're Buffalo)....
There's basically no way to get it done. There are an abnormal number of potential top pass rushers in this draft: Allen, Bosa, Ferrell, Polite, Sweat and Burns and I think a minimum of three are gone by the time the Packers pick, possibly five.
Herschel posted:Josh Allen is my favorite player in this draft, but yeah, the chances of getting him are ridiculously poor. The only chance is if he somehow gets to #6 (which would mean the Jets stupidly passing on him, which is the latest he should go) then Denver trading with Detroit and three QBs in a row so the Packers could somehow make a trade with Buffalo (imagine an Edmunds/Allen LB combo if you're Buffalo)....
There's basically no way to get it done. There are an abnormal number of potential top pass rushers in this draft: Allen, Bosa, Ferrell, Polite, Sweat and Burns and I think a minimum of three are gone by the time the Packers pick, possibly five.
One mock I saw had Josh Allen dropping to the Packers at #12. Anything is possible in the draft.
Unless he fails a drug test or gets arrested, there's no way Allen drops to 12.
heyward posted:Unless he fails a drug test or gets arrested, there's no way Allen drops to 12.
People once thought the same thing about Rodgers.
A lot of teams didn't "need" a QB in that draft. Every team needs a dynamic edge pass rusher.
Anything is possible, but probable is a whole other ballgame. I don't think there's enough awesome at another position to make him slide.
YATittle posted:heyward posted:Unless he fails a drug test or gets arrested, there's no way Allen drops to 12.
People once thought the same thing about Rodgers.
People once thought the same thing about Warren Sapp.
I don't expect Allen to be there at #12 but the draft is weird sometimes.
Did anyone expect the Bears to swap spots with the Niners & take Trubisky??
Sapp failed a drug test. That's the only thing that will keep Allen from going in the top 10. Otherwise, there's zero chance 11 teams will pass on a dynamic edge rusher.
Boris posted:Did anyone expect the Bears to swap spots with the Niners & take Trubisky??
The Vikings would have traded and then failed to get the card in on time.
About the only non-arrest way to get him at 12, IMO is something like this:
Three QBs have to go PRE-DENVER (that's four non-edge picks)
Another "run" of three, probably O-line with Williams, Taylor and Little.
Three pass rushers have to go ahead (Bosa, Ferrell and Gary)
Quinnen Williams should take up the other spot.
If a corner like Greedy Williams or Murphy could have some great combine times that might help and someone to love Ed Oliver. They need at least one more player to ascend in to the top tier, probably three to include Gary and Little as I'm not so confident in their top-10 status.
Thanks for that analysis Herschel. I think that's the recipe. We shall see.
mrtundra posted:Herschel posted:Josh Allen is my favorite player in this draft, but yeah, the chances of getting him are ridiculously poor. The only chance is if he somehow gets to #6 (which would mean the Jets stupidly passing on him, which is the latest he should go) then Denver trading with Detroit and three QBs in a row so the Packers could somehow make a trade with Buffalo (imagine an Edmunds/Allen LB combo if you're Buffalo)....
There's basically no way to get it done. There are an abnormal number of potential top pass rushers in this draft: Allen, Bosa, Ferrell, Polite, Sweat and Burns and I think a minimum of three are gone by the time the Packers pick, possibly five.
One mock I saw had Josh Allen dropping to the Packers at #12. Anything is possible in the draft.
Well, mock drafts anyway.
Heck, in a mock where Allen and Ferrell fell (O-linemen were all the rage with the algorithm tonight, apparently), I was able to pull this off with some major horse trading.
Round 1 Pick 12: Allen, Josh, OLB, Kentucky (A+)
Round 1 Pick 21 (SEA): Ferrell, Clelin, DE, Clemson (A+)
Round 2 Pick 18 (MINN): Rapp, Taylor, SS, Washington (A+)
Round 3 Pick 24 (DET): Gardner-Johnson, Chauncey, FS, Florida (A+)
Round 4 Pick 3 (NYJ): Hockenson, T.J., TE, Iowa (A+)
Round 4 Pick 10 (BUF): Samuel, Deebo, WR, South Carolina (A+)
Round 4 Pick 16: McGary, Kaleb, OT, Washington (A+)
Round 4 Pick 17 (CLE): Jackson, Tyree, QB, Buffalo (A+)
Round 4 Pick 18 (MINN): Jackson, Joe, DE, Miami (FL) (A+)
Round 6 Pick 12: Sagapolu, Olive, DT, Wisconsin (A+)
Round 6 Pick 31 (DET): Dortch, Greg, WR, Wake Forest (A+)
Round 7 Pick 10 (DET): Johnson, Isaiah, CB, Houston (A+)
Round 7 Pick 15 (DET): Anderson, Rodney, RB, Oklahoma (A+)
There's your fix, LoL. Mocks are fun as an exercise of what could happen, but sometimes the algorithm (or the person mocking) has all the steadiness of an incontinent meth head.
heyward posted:Sapp failed a drug test.
He smoked some pot. It wasn't like he was getting high on Heisenbergs blue meth.
I understand your point & agree with it. I don't believe Allen will be there at #12 but strange things happen in the draft sometimes.
Many other mocks, besides the one I saw with Allen going to the Pack at #12, have either Ferrell, Burns, Polite, Sweat going to the Pack at 12. One had Cody Ford(OL) at #12 and Polite # 30. As was said earlier, they are mocks and mocks only but they are fun, at this time, in the off season. I'd like to be a fly on the wall in the draft room at 1265 when the Gute and the others finalize their draft board and player rankings.
Here's scenario 1:
Needs-safeties, pass rush, offensive line. Rebuild a position in this draft early, fill in another position through mid and spam the third late. Assume you have trade partners to match value to need.
My choice:
1. pass rush early - they're hard to find, this is a good draft for them and they're expensive if they ever make it to free agency.
2. fill safeties as we go - day two and maybe early day three should have a number of guys who can play early and a young man's wheels are a definite benefit.
3. spam linemen late - the biggest need is at guard and solid ones can usually be had later. Free agency is also a spot for some crafty veteran depth.
What would you choose?
Sign Earl Thomas AND Landon Collins.
NOW....you draft Pass Rush & O-Line early & often.
Pipe dream? Probably.....but whatever. It's February.
Scenario #2:
Again assuming you have trade partners to execute your plan, your choices are:
1. You can rebuild an entire position and depth turning a weakness in to a strength and while filling in other needs with picks as available and journeymen free agents.
2. Spread out your picks to cover needs with depth from free agency.
3. Target specific players you like at already strong positions to try and make them an overwhelming difference and try to fill openings in free agency (the "dang I like Marquise Brown and Josh Jacobs and Deebo Samuel and those are my first three picks!" scenario)
Latest SI mock:
12. Green Bay: Clelin Ferrell, EDGE, Clemson
Clay Matthews is in decline, and it’s time for Green Bay to bolster the pass rush with Ferrell. Scouts say he’s a talented and productive pass rusher but not a truly special athlete, which could make this spot his ceiling.
30. Green Bay (from New Orleans): Mack Wilson, LB, Alabama
Green Bay could go receiver here, but I’m giving them an inside linebacker to replace Jake Ryan, a free agent who missed all of 2018 with an ACL tear. Wilson is a three-down inside linebacker with very good instincts when dropping into zone coverage.
I don't know much about Wilson but I would like it if they go edge and ILB in the first round.
One thing I would like about this mock draft is that it is dominated by defense so if the Packers wanted to go offense in round #2 there should be some good OL or TEs available.
CBS Sports did their mock and has the Packers sending #30 to the Steelers for Antonio Brown.
Interestingly, a Steelers local sports radio host was on the Bill Michaels Show yesterday and thought the Steelers would likely settle for a 6th because their ass is to the wall and they now just want to dump his contract anywhere else. The Packers would be tempting for them because it gets Brown out of the AFC.
I still don't know if LaFleur wants the headache that is Brown, but for a sixth?
That'd be pretty hard to say no.
Take Devin White of LSU at 12 and the Jaylon Ferguson from La Tech at 30. Supposedly the La Tech kid has a ton of potential and White would finally give the Packers some speed in the middle. If anything else they could open a Cajun Restaurant in Green Bay and make a fortune.
if Brown or OBJ were offered, who would be the best fit? Both are Prima Donas and both are likely to quit when their number is not called but damn either one would give the Packers the best WR combo since Lofton and Jefferson. Even tho Jefferson never did light it up in Green Bay like he did in San Diego. It would be nice to watch that offense.
OBJ is just 26. You would have years of high level play IF his head is on straight and if he stay's healthy.
But like Brown, I could see him being a whiny bitch if Adams was getting more targets (which is only natural considering Rodgers chemistry with Davante).
So you'd have to rely on a rookie HC and Rodgers convincing either Brown or OBJ they'd still be a big part of the offense and stroke those egos. Much easier said then done.
I did tell OBJs mom at the Outback bowl a few years ago that the Packers were going to get him. She though it would be exciting to see.
Jaylon Ferguson is an interesting prospect because his stock is low due to a felony on his record. But the story is that he still has that from a HS incident and is otherwise a very stand up dude, has been since. Wasn't invited to combine because of it.
I don't see Packers going ILB in the first. Or second or third. I mean they already have a very good ILB in Blake Martinez. And how often do they have 2 ILBs on the field at once anyways (excluding when they play a safety as an ILB in nickel/dime)? They also drafted Burks in the third last year, so hard to believe they give up on him already. And it's not like Jake Ryan is dead - players come back from torn ACLs all the time.