Round 6 Pick 12: Sagapolu, Olive, DT, Wisconsin (A+)
What were his parents thinking with that name?
Chongo posted:Grave Digger posted:Of course it’s an issue that needs to be researched, but you’re talking about one incident in a 3 year career. If he had beaten the shit out of a woman like Jeffrey Simmons then I would agree he should be off the board, but we’re talking about a single sideline argument being a disqualifier for a guy with Aaron Donald-like talent.
Chongo can you cite anything that shows that history? I’m not arguing, I’m genuinely curious. Does being a douche disqualify from being drafted?
I sent you a PM with some stuff I don't want to post here. I'll leave it at that.
With regards to stuff I'm comfortable sharing publicly, after he got into his pissing match with Minor Applewhite, he quit on his team. He didn't play one snap after that, and that was because he was looking out for himself and his draft.
Prior to that, according to a couple Houston Cougar fans I know, they have told me over the years he takes plays off...he loafs, isn't always motivated and gets by on his natural ability.There were also some questions about his character which is the reason he ended up at Houston instead of an SEC or ACC school.
Packers have whiffed on too many 1st round picks in the last decade. To me, it's not worth picking a guy with so many question marks.
I concur. Suh 2.0
ChilliJon posted:Pikes Peak posted:I see Hooker going to New England
Just fantastic work here.
EC Pack posted:ChilliJon posted:Pikes Peak posted:I see Hooker going to New England
Just fantastic work here.
Yes, visionary really when you think about it.
Chongo posted:Grave Digger posted:I sent you a PM with some stuff I don't want to post here. I'll leave it at that.
I think we should PM Digger some stuff we don't want to post here? Who is with me?
Fedya posted:Round 6 Pick 12: Sagapolu, Olive, DT, Wisconsin (A+)
What were his parents thinking with that name?
ask his brother Martini
Ubetcha posted:With last years trade-down, I'm convinced Gutekunst made the move knowing this years depth of defensive talent would leave a number of options to shore up the roster. If he can find a trade partner I'm thinking he'll do it again and try to parlay #12 into as many picks as he can get in the first 3 rounds. I've haven't see too many mocks with trades, but here's one from Luke Easterly (Draftwire) showing the Packers trading all the way down to 23 after a couple of of moves and getting Brian Burns and Noah Fant at #30. Of course it'll take the right partner but I wouldn't be shocked to see some version of this.
#23 - Brian Burns
#30 - Noah Fant, TE (Iowa)
#44 - Devin Bush, LB (Mich)
#55 - Amani Hooker, S (Iowa)
#75 - Beau Benzshawel, OL (WI)
#76 - Isaiah Buggs, DL (Alab)
#111- Justic Hill, RB (OK St)
That's a pile of yuck.
If Burns falls to 23 it means there's some more questions about him and he's a pretty risky pick.
Maybe it's McShellShock, but how much will they use a TE?
I'm not a Bush fan on this defense.
Hooker is more of a zone safety.
I'm okay with Beau, and the position is a definite need.
Buggs is okay.
Hill is decent value there, but doesn't offer anything they don't have.
Ubetcha posted:#23 - Brian Burns
#30 - Noah Fant, TE (Iowa)
#44 - Devin Bush, LB (Mich)
#55 - Amani Hooker, S (Iowa)
#75 - Beau Benzshawel, OL (WI)
#76 - Isaiah Buggs, DL (Alab)
#111- Justic Hill, RB (OK St)
I think a few people here would lose their collective shit if the Packers drafted two more Hawkeyes this year.
Thanks for that PM Chongo, that’s good information to know. Although I still don’t think a sideline argument with a coach is necessarily a red flag, it sounds like there are some other serious red flags. If we know about this then I guarantee NFL teams have heard similar information, wouldn’t be surprised to see this guy take a tumble. His talent is too tantalizing for him to fall far, someone will take a chance in R1. Shouldn’t be GB though I agree.
I think LaFleur will use a TE just like Kyle Shannahan uses Kittle. You gotta be able to block though and that’s where a lot of move TE’s fall short.
The pre-combine DraftTek mock is interesting.
https://www.drafttek.com/2019-...ck-Draft-Round1b.asp
1A: Montez Sweat Edge Miss St The only guy who seemed to give Dalton Risner problems this year.
1B: JJ Arcega-Whiteside WR Stanford I don't like this pick. It's sandwiched between Nassir Adderly and Juan Thornhill and he's not my favorite receiver on the board either. Much rather take Thornhill or Gardner-Johnson with this pick.
2. TJ Hockenson TE Iowa Wouldn't it be great to see a weapon at TE again? This is tough with Deebo Samuel still on their board but that's splitting hairs.
3. Michael Deiter OG Wisconsin Lane Taylor, thy days are numbered.
4A. Christian Rector DE USC Great big "Meh", especially with Lonnie Johnson and Max Sharping close behind.
4B. Elijah Holyfield RB Georgia I don't care for this pick, see Rector and add Jalen Jelks and Tyree Jackson to the list of guys also on the board prior to the Round 5 pick.
5. Marvell Tell III S USC Good "fall back" option at safety.
6. Beau Benzschawel OG Wisconsin The Badgers OG tandem could be a solid anchor for the O-line and the value seems very solid here.
6B. Dakota Allen ILB Texas Tech Another ILB who is good at run fits but struggles mightily in pass coverage, joy.
7. Penny Hart WR Georgia State Here's the new speedy smurf toy.
2 Hawkeyes and a Badger walk into a bar.......
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Ubetcha posted:With last years trade-down, I'm convinced Gutekunst made the move knowing this years depth of defensive talent would leave a number of options to shore up the roster. If he can find a trade partner I'm thinking he'll do it again and try to parlay #12 into as many picks as he can get in the first 3 rounds. I've haven't see too many mocks with trades, but here's one from Luke Easterly (Draftwire) showing the Packers trading all the way down to 23 after a couple of of moves and getting Brian Burns and Noah Fant at #30. Of course it'll take the right partner but I wouldn't be shocked to see some version of this.
#23 - Brian Burns
#30 - Noah Fant, TE (Iowa)
#44 - Devin Bush, LB (Mich)
#55 - Amani Hooker, S (Iowa)
#75 - Beau Benzshawel, OL (WI)
#76 - Isaiah Buggs, DL (Alab)
#111- Justic Hill, RB (OK St)
I was looking at this draft from draft wire too. The things that stood out to me was that GB trades down twice and ends up with only 2 more picks over the first four rounds. What is missing from the one above is pick number 107 that gives GB WR Andy Isabella from UMASS. That along with the 4 picks we already have after that gives GB a total of 12 picks. However, in getting the 2 extra picks we also traded 4th round 114 & 118 we formerly had. So in a sense on the back end we moved up a few spots. So the guys doing this mock didn't divulge everything. But 2 things I observed is this:
1) All of a sudden Devin Bush is available in the 2nd round. Huh? Most mocks have him in the first round somewhere - with the only question is which exact pick to put him at.
2) At some point collecting numbers of new players is not as important as getting a few really good players who could be difference makers. And that is where I think this mock falls short.
And just because Gute traded back twice in his first draft, doesn't mean he will do that again. When TT traded back into the second round it gave a lot of people visions for how TT worked for the next years mocks. So when TT traded UP in a major way to get CM, everyone was stunned. I think how your teams draft unfolds depends on the confluence of the teams draft board, how the draft is going (like who is already gone and who is available vs your draft board), and what trade opportunities are open to you. So what that looks like from year to year can be different and be expressed differently. Of course, draft board priorities can be heavily influenced by what happens in FA. JMO, but at positions that need help I think it is wise to get help via FA, and then draft one. The FA contract may be less than the advertised length depending on how it is structured. So when that FA guy is gone the draft pick hopefully is ready to step in. And he can be retained longer term.
lovepack posted:2 Hawkeyes and a Badger walk into a bar.......
In Wisconsin, they don't have to walk very far....
With two 1st round picks I expect gute use one on offense and one on defense. Edge at 12 and offensive lineman at 30.
Not going to bet on special teams Rob?
PackerHawk posted:Ubetcha posted:#23 - Brian Burns
#30 - Noah Fant, TE (Iowa)
#44 - Devin Bush, LB (Mich)
#55 - Amani Hooker, S (Iowa)
#75 - Beau Benzshawel, OL (WI)
#76 - Isaiah Buggs, DL (Alab)
#111- Justic Hill, RB (OK St)
I think a few people here would lose their collective shit if the Packers drafted two more Hawkeyes this year.
Not me. Heck, I'd take 10 guys from Iowa if they were as good as Bryan Bulaga, Aaron Kampmann, Mike Daniels, and Micah Hyde were. And I still think eventually Josh Jackson will find his niche in the NFL too.
fightphoe93 posted:PackerHawk posted:Ubetcha posted:#23 - Brian Burns
#30 - Noah Fant, TE (Iowa)
#44 - Devin Bush, LB (Mich)
#55 - Amani Hooker, S (Iowa)
#75 - Beau Benzshawel, OL (WI)
#76 - Isaiah Buggs, DL (Alab)
#111- Justic Hill, RB (OK St)
I think a few people here would lose their collective shit if the Packers drafted two more Hawkeyes this year.
Not me. Heck, I'd take 10 guys from Iowa if they were as good as Bryan Bulaga, Aaron Kampmann, Mike Daniels, and Micah Hyde were. And I still think eventually Josh Jackson will find his niche in the NFL too.
Abdul Hodge agrees
Sweat and Hockenson in the first.
I could be down with that after Adderly goes to the Chiefs.
Caught analytic guys from PFF on NFL Radio last night on my way to practice. Some interesting info:
1) Said they did an analytical study of position in relationship to game outcome. Said that next to QB, CB is the most important position in today's NFL. Made a good point in that if you get a better #1 or #2 CB it improves not only that position, but the CBs down the line (if previous #1 goes to 2, #2 to 3, etc.)
2) Because of the importance of position, they have 3 CBs on their draft board in the top 10 (Murphy, Greedy, Baker) whereas most mocks have them going in the 20s
3) Said that the majority of d-lineman & edge guys who had high PFF scores in college have continued that performance in pros.
4) A guy who they are valuing higher than mocks is Tillery from ND. Said they see him as similar to Chris Jones, who most undervalued coming out of college.
5) A guy they think is overvalued is Rashan Gary. Said he only had 24 pressures in 184 pass snaps, not even close to other guys who have been drafted in top 10. They have him ranked 44th on their board.
I can see how CB is going to be extremely valuable for NFL teams going forward. As college and high school FB teams become more and more pass happy and many players would rather play offense. So finding true shut down corners is going to be tougher to find.
I completely agree with Gary being over rated. I watch a ton of Big ten football and the announcers talk about his a lot but I don't remember him making a ton of big plays.
I have a question related to attending a draft event at Lambeau Field. A friend told me about it but never attended. So he was saying maybe we should go to it this year. So I checked out Packers.com and found nothing. So I have the following questions I would appreciate a X4 response to:
1) Does the event even exist? Suppose I could call Lambeau Field and have a chat with the janitor. I figured people would have more knowledge.
2) If it does and you attended what kinds of things were available? For instance, how do you watch the draft? Were their any present or former players around? Do they make announcements in person in the atrium when the Packers make a selection. That kind of draft related stuff.
3) How did you like the experience?
Thanks you for your response in advance.
FLPACKER posted:5) A guy they think is overvalued is Rashan Gary. Said he only had 24 pressures in 184 pass snaps, not even close to other guys who have been drafted in top 10. They have him ranked 44th on their board.
Guy I'm most afraid my team will pick. I see him going nowhere.
Raiders will take him.
Too young for the Raiders. Gruden will flip the pick for a couple of 10-year veterans and a "young" 8-year vet.
Great insight from a current (albeit young) player. There's more after the first tweet.
The OL position isn’t easy to evaluate...it’s easy to turn to numbers because typically your best blockers are your best Athletes. In my opinion it’s simple, OL is like a form of art. We all have different tools and abilities..
— Orlando Brown (Zeus) (@ZEUS__78) February 26, 2019
Chongo posted:Grave Digger posted:He’s a twat of a human being because he got into an argument with his coach and never showed any character issues before or after that incident? It shouldn’t be glossed over and should be researched by teams, but a minor argument with a coach over a coat is not a character defining incident.
No, he's a twat of a human being for a whole litany of reasons not restricted to him being a public asshat to his HC. He has a history of being a me-first guy. He also has a history of taking plays off.
Bengals first rounder then?
Translation of all coach/GM press conferences at NFL Combine: "I'm here answering your questions, but I'm not going to tell you anything." #CombineWeek
— Andrew Brandt (@AndrewBrandt) February 27, 2019
Polite is a quality pass rush specialist, but from I've seen/read of him he's not a 3 down player right now. He's basically Bruce Irvin. I like the idea of beefing up the pass rush, but 1) we need a starting 3-down DE/OLB because we're likely losing Matthews and probably Perry and Polite isn't that right now and 2) we gave up 4.3 ypc which is middle-of-the-road in rush defense, so we need to be able to stop the run better if we want to move into elite defense territory (like to see that number under 4). In that mock I would take Devin White. I think we could see somewhat of a repeat of the 2006 draft (similarities in circumstance) where we took LB (Hawk), OL (Colledge), WR (Gerg), ILB (Hodge), OL (Spitz) in R's 1-3. Pass rusher would seem to be a bigger need than ILB/OLB, but talent is talent White is a blue chip talent.
I usually put very very little stock in to mock drafts but I do like the one from the link Boris posted.
Polite from Florida as and edge guy I would be good with but I kind of prefer Sweat over him. I also wouldn't mind Irv Smith from Bama at #30
David Edwards from UW in round 2 would be a great pick IMHO
Darnell Savage from Maryland? I fully admit to never having heard of the guy
When Kyler Murray ends up going #1 overall....
— Louis Riddick (@LRiddickESPN) February 27, 2019
Grave Digger posted:Polite is a quality pass rush specialist, but from I've seen/read of him he's not a 3 down player right now. He's basically Bruce Irvin. I like the idea of beefing up the pass rush, but 1) we need a starting 3-down DE/OLB because we're likely losing Matthews and probably Perry and Polite isn't that right now and 2) we gave up 4.3 ypc which is middle-of-the-road in rush defense, so we need to be able to stop the run better if we want to move into elite defense territory (like to see that number under 4). In that mock I would take Devin White. I think we could see somewhat of a repeat of the 2006 draft (similarities in circumstance) where we took LB (Hawk), OL (Colledge), WR (Gerg), ILB (Hodge), OL (Spitz) in R's 1-3. Pass rusher would seem to be a bigger need than ILB/OLB, but talent is talent White is a blue chip talent.
I concur. I get impolite about choosing Polite.