I did three DraftNetwork mocks. The players I got in the GB first round in those three mocks were:
#12 Brian Burns, Edge and #30 Dalton Risner, OL
#12 Clellin Ferrell, Edge and #30 TJ Hockenson, TE
#12 Jonah Williams, OL and #30 Montez Sweat, Edge.
https://www.packersnews.com/st...t-expect/2983203002/
Nothing earth shattering here, but I do agree with Jim that these are the most likely candidates to end up in GB. As much as we want Hock/Fant in GB, I can't shake the feeling that Gute will find a TE in R3, instead focusing on defense and with our 3 top 50 picks.
Iowa tight end T.J. Hockenson (6-5, 250)
John Mackey Award winner as the nation’s best tight end, catching 49 balls for 760 yards and six touchdowns. Iowa is known for producing well-rounded tight ends and he is a willing blocker in a scheme similar to what the Packers now run.
Iowa tight end Noah Fant (6-5, 241)
Developed each year and turned in an All-Big Ten season with 35 catches for 519 yards and seven touchdowns. Like his teammate, well versed in the outside zone blocking scheme.
Florida edge rusher Jachai Polite (6-2, 242)
Played only seven games two years ago due to a shoulder injury but came back last year to earn second-team All-America honors with 11 sacks and 17.5 tackles for loss. Also led the country with six forced fumbles.
Clemson edge rusher Clelin Ferrell (6-4, 265)
A two-time All-American, has produced his entire career. Recorded 11.5 sacks, three forced fumbles and 19.5 tackles for loss last year. In three full seasons with the Tigers, recorded 27 sacks and 50.5 tackles for loss.
Delaware defensive back Nasir Adderley (6-0, 200)
Always around the ball, finished career with 11 interceptions. Has played safety and corner. Also returned kicks. Cousin of Hall of Famer and former Packer Herb Adderley.
Florida defensive back Chauncey Gardner-Johnson (6-0, 207)
Can play corner or safety. Has experience being used as a blitzer and making tackles behind the line of scrimmage. Had six interceptions last two years. Also has special teams experience.
Oklahoma offensive lineman Cody Ford (6-4, 337)
Played tackle and guard for the Sooners but projects as a guard in the NFL. Oklahoma ran outside zone blocking schemes, and he’s athletic enough to move as needed.
Washington State tackle Andre Dillard (6-5, 306)
No doubt the Packers have seen plenty of Dillard, as they drafted linemate Cole Madison a year ago. Big and athletic, could be the right tackle in waiting as Bryan Bulaga enters the final year of his contract.
Grave Digger posted:https://www.packersnews.com/st...t-expect/2983203002/
Nothing earth shattering here, but I do agree with Jim that these are the most likely candidates to end up in GB.
Which means we won't see any of them.
Very true. I have a feeling Gute takes Duke QB Daniel Jones at 12. Brett Favre was the same age Aaron Rodgers is now when they chose Rodgers and it's not like GB has a QB-of-the-future on the roster. I actually really like Daniel Jones, he's a really good looking QB prospect and will be a really good QB in the NFL (with the right coaching).
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Gutey starts at 10:30 in
All together now: "Rodgers hasn't been openly mulling retirement for several years now".
If Jones is there when they pick 12th?
Trade for picks, this draft and next.
Rodgers is still on top, and probably plays 5+ more years.
Jones is likely worth more now in trade than 2-3 years from now.
DH13 posted:All together now: "Rodgers hasn't been openly mulling retirement for several years now".
While that’s true I think it was as much about Favres age and the long term security at that position as it was about Favre’s personality. I was mostly kidding, I don’t think they will look at a succession plan until after the 2020 season, that way the new QB will be in year 4 when Rodgers is a UFA in 2024. If Jones is there year I expect someone will want to jump Miami to get him.
Jones isn't worth #12 overall. If Gutey wants to draft Jones, he better trade down.
All this crap is smokescreen garbage - Even Arizona is talking about drafting Kyler Murray #1 overall - Every team is trying to increase the value of their selections. Classic draft subterfuge before the combine & you can expect a lot more in the run up to April
Boris posted:Jones isn't worth #12 overall. If Gutey wants to draft Jones, he better trade down.
All this crap is smokescreen garbage - Even Arizona is talking about drafting Kyler Murray #1 overall - Every team is trying to increase the value of their selections. Classic draft subterfuge before the combine & you can expect a lot more in the run up to April
It is officially smoke screen season. Arizona making comments about Rosen and now everyone thinks they could take Murray. What does everyone honestly think of Murray? I am very on the fence about the guy.
As for picking Rodgers sucessor I don't think this is the year you do it yet. I just think the team needs pass rushers, safeties, TE's, and OL too badly.
Jones will likely go in the Top 15, he's a good looking QB prospect. Reminds me of Roethlisberger.
Murray is an elite athlete who was terrible as a passer before he got hooked up with Lincoln Riley. Who knows how he will translate to an NFL offense, but an athlete of his caliber does have a role in the NFL for sure. People have compared him to Vick like that's a huge positive, but Vick led teams never really went anywhere. Vick was never a very good passer either, it wasn't until Andy Reid got a hold of him that he actually made some throws. Murray will need a creative OC who has an idea how to work with a QB of his skill set.
I was kind of shocked that Murray measured in at just over 5'10" and 207 lbs. today. I really was expecting him to be in around 5'8".
To me this is great news because if teams above the Packers pass on him (or other QB's) a QB desperate team may want to move up to #12.
The Heckler posted:I was kind of shocked that Murray measured in at just over 5'10" and 207 lbs. today. I really was expecting him to be in around 5'8".
To me this is great news because if teams above the Packers pass on him (or other QB's) a QB desperate team may want to move up to #12.
I predict he'll go top 10. Russell Wilson lasted till the third round due to height concerns, but if you redo that draft today he's top 5. I think the game is changing....
Everyone has been so focused on his size that no one has questioned his intangibles. I don't think size is necessarily a hindrance and people cite short-er QBs like Russ Wilson, Drew Brees, and Baker Mayfield as examples of that, but those guys have off-the-charts intangibles that make them good/great. Does Murray have that same mental makeup and work ethic? If he doesn't then he won't be a great QB regardless of his skill set. Russ is a grinder who had success at two different schools, all we know of Murray is that he's smart enough to play within Riley's system.
egos. They figure they're even BETTER than Riley and will win with him.
Grave Digger posted:Everyone has been so focused on his size that no one has questioned his intangibles. I don't think size is necessarily a hindrance and people cite short-er QBs like Russ Wilson, Drew Brees, and Baker Mayfield as examples of that, but those guys have off-the-charts intangibles that make them good/great. Does Murray have that same mental makeup and work ethic? If he doesn't then he won't be a great QB regardless of his skill set. Russ is a grinder who had success at two different schools, all we know of Murray is that he's smart enough to play within Riley's system.
We know his size, we know he is a great athlete and we know he looked pretty good on Saturdays. We don't know how that will translate to Sunday's. The draft is a gamble, if you need a guy you need a guy.
From the article:
Along with Florida and Georgia, he competed against BYU three times, Mississippi State twice, Boston College twice, Notre Dame, Tennessee and South Carolina. That's a season's worth of games against Power Five or FBS Independent competition. The total for those games made for a fine season of its own: 71 catches for 938 yards and four touchdowns.
"He's one of the only guys (who came) to the Senior Bowl that we didn't personally scout in a game," said Senior Bowl Executive Director Jim Nagy. "But we didn't need to. We heard a lot about him from NFL people we know, and I watched about 10 plays of tape. That's all I needed to know he belonged."
Add Nagy to a growing list of people with NFL ties who believe he, indeed, belongs.
"The guy is going to be exciting," the AFC scout said. "Yeah, he's small, but he's a big play waiting to happen. The quickness is elite."
It's all noise to Isabella.
He learned years ago what the negative kind sounds like, and has found effusive praise can sound like noise, too. He wipes a little sweat from his brow, thankful to be working out in the Florida warmth, as he walks to his Chevy Cruze rental car following his second workout with Moss. The pressure washer, he's told, made it challenging to hear the Hall of Famer's instruction.
"Really?" he says. "I didn't notice it."
DH13 posted:RD0132: NEP Andy Isabella
Yup. Can't teach speed.
Pikes Peak posted:Grave Digger posted:Everyone has been so focused on his size that no one has questioned his intangibles. I don't think size is necessarily a hindrance and people cite short-er QBs like Russ Wilson, Drew Brees, and Baker Mayfield as examples of that, but those guys have off-the-charts intangibles that make them good/great. Does Murray have that same mental makeup and work ethic? If he doesn't then he won't be a great QB regardless of his skill set. Russ is a grinder who had success at two different schools, all we know of Murray is that he's smart enough to play within Riley's system.
We know his size, we know he is a great athlete and we know he looked pretty good on Saturdays. We don't know how that will translate to Sunday's. The draft is a gamble, if you need a guy you need a guy.
I think it is really going to matter where he ends up and the support system around him for how his game will translate. I may be proven wrong (and it wouldn't be the first time or the last) that he won't be playing against B12 offenses in the NFL and he will be seeing things he never has faced.
Grave Digger posted:Very true. I have a feeling Gute takes Duke QB Daniel Jones at 12. Brett Favre was the same age Aaron Rodgers is now when they chose Rodgers and it's not like GB has a QB-of-the-future on the roster. I actually really like Daniel Jones, he's a really good looking QB prospect and will be a really good QB in the NFL (with the right coaching).
Very different circumstances. Favre at the same age had been openly discussing retirement for over 5 years. Favre had a degenerative hip condition that could have flared up at any moment and ended his career. Favre had taken one hell of a beating over the years. And the NFL rules were different and QBs couldn't last as long.
Rodgers has already expressed the intention of playing until he's 40.
I will be completely shocked if Gute takes a QB before round 5, if at all. They traded for the backup and they must like the 3rd stringer having carried him on the roster the entire season.
My guess is the only Qb add will be UDFA variety.
And GB has so many other needs that giving up draft capital for a player who is going to sit on the bench for 4 years or more doesn't make any sense whatsoever. The GM will be gone by the time the new QB throws his first pass.
I could see them taking a QB, just not in the first 3 rounds. I don't think Kizer did much last year to show the team that he can lead them to a win or two if needed in a pinch.
PackerHawk posted:I could see them taking a QB, just not in the first 3 rounds. I don't think Kizer did much last year to show the team that he can lead them to a win or two if needed in a pinch.
Hope Kizer is gone next year.
As far as QBs go, Murray would make an excellent RB.
Like others before him, he will have a modicum of success because of that blinding speed, but no way he will ever be an effective QB.
JMHO, others may vary.
Grave Digger posted:Everyone has been so focused on his size that no one has questioned his intangibles. I don't think size is necessarily a hindrance and people cite short-er QBs like Russ Wilson, Drew Brees, and Baker Mayfield as examples of that, but those guys have off-the-charts intangibles that make them good/great. Does Murray have that same mental makeup and work ethic? If he doesn't then he won't be a great QB regardless of his skill set. Russ is a grinder who had success at two different schools, all we know of Murray is that he's smart enough to play within Riley's system.
RW also had the Legion of Boom to bail his ass out when necessary. Sort of like the Ravens winning the Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer as their QB.
YATittle posted:
We've already drafted our Jeff Janis for the decade.
Timmy! posted:As far as QBs go, Murray would make an excellent RB.
Like others before him, he will have a modicum of success because of that blinding speed, but no way he will ever be an effective QB.
JMHO, others may vary.
The more QBs taken ahead of GB pick, the closer Allen is to becoming reality.
Wouldn't that be G R E A T !!!!!!!
PackerHawk posted:I could see them taking a QB, just not in the first 3 rounds. I don't think Kizer did much last year to show the team that he can lead them to a win or two if needed in a pinch.
And you think a rookie taken in the 4th round or later would lead the Packers to a win or 2??
ammo posted:PackerHawk posted:I could see them taking a QB, just not in the first 3 rounds. I don't think Kizer did much last year to show the team that he can lead them to a win or two if needed in a pinch.
And you think a rookie taken in the 4th round or later would lead the Packers to a win or 2??
With the right pieces around him and proper coaching, yes.
But a draftee this year isn't automatically the backup QB. That could be Boyle. And the answer above applies to him as well.
Chongo posted:YATittle posted:We've already drafted our Jeff Janis for the decade.
The Pack needs special teams players too.
#Packers intend to bring Irv Smith Jr. in for a club visit. Not yet scheduled.#NFLCombine
— Chase Goodbread (@ChaseGoodbread) March 1, 2019
michiganjoe posted:#Packers intend to bring Irv Smith Jr. in for a club visit. Not yet scheduled.#NFLCombine
— Chase Goodbread (@ChaseGoodbread) March 1, 2019
Projected to go in the second round
https://draftwire.usatoday.com...r-nfl-draft-profile/
Iowa TE Noah Fant will meet with the #Packers tonight.
— Zach Heilprin (@ZachHeilprin) March 1, 2019
YATittle posted:Chongo posted:Grave Digger posted:Of course it’s an issue that needs to be researched, but you’re talking about one incident in a 3 year career. If he had beaten the shit out of a woman like Jeffrey Simmons then I would agree he should be off the board, but we’re talking about a single sideline argument being a disqualifier for a guy with Aaron Donald-like talent.
Chongo can you cite anything that shows that history? I’m not arguing, I’m genuinely curious. Does being a douche disqualify from being drafted?
I sent you a PM with some stuff I don't want to post here. I'll leave it at that.
With regards to stuff I'm comfortable sharing publicly, after he got into his pissing match with Minor Applewhite, he quit on his team. He didn't play one snap after that, and that was because he was looking out for himself and his draft.
Prior to that, according to a couple Houston Cougar fans I know, they have told me over the years he takes plays off...he loafs, isn't always motivated and gets by on his natural ability.There were also some questions about his character which is the reason he ended up at Houston instead of an SEC or ACC school.
Packers have whiffed on too many 1st round picks in the last decade. To me, it's not worth picking a guy with so many question marks.
I concur. Suh 2.0
Just heard Mel say that his "character" is not to be worried about.
40-yard dash times:
— Kyle Meinke (@kmeinke) March 1, 2019
Georgia RB Elijiah Holyfield: 4.79 seconds (unofficial)
Alabama DL Da'Shawn Hand: 4.83 seconds (official)
Mocked all over the place, this can't help Holyfield. But here is the thing, you want a compliment to Jones? I'd love a hammer as a #2.
Here's why Kyler Murray could indeed go first in the NFL draft
Trying to post yahoo sports link
michiganjoe posted:Iowa TE Noah Fant will meet with the #Packers tonight.
— Zach Heilprin (@ZachHeilprin) March 1, 2019
Can't go wrong with a TE from TE U but I'd rather have TJ.
Great. That means the Patriots will trade up to get him.
