Safety?
For sure we would have to invent a cloning booth and create more "Macks".
I can not for the life of me figure out how his nickname is not Mack Daddy. Most fans too young to remember?
Who is/was "Mack Daddy"?
I remember a "Big Daddy" (Gene Lipscomb).
Or a member of the rap duo "Kris Kross", though he spelled Mack as "Mac Daddy" while he was still alive.
This thread is heading to a Fedya video mix tape. Thanks everyone.
Fandame posted:I would not want to package our two first-rounders to move up. We need bodies, and drafting in the top five is never a guarantee in GB. See: Mandarich, who only was okay for other teams, and the rest of the serviceables back through 1959: Hawk, B. Fullwood, Buckley, Bruce Clark, Fred Carr (maybe more than serviceable), Tom Moore, Randy Duncan (had to look him up—QB from Iowa).
But whoever ran the 1957-1958 draft where GB had #1 & 4 in ‘57 and #3 in ‘58 did okay: Hornung and Ron Kramer in ‘57, and Dan Currie in ‘58.
You could argue that since 1961 GB does better drafting mid to later in Round 1: Adderly at 12; Dave Robinson, 14; D. Anderson, 7; Grabowski, 9; Gillingham, 13; Brockington, 9; Buchanon, 7; E. Johnson, 28; Lofton, 6; John Anderson, 26; Eddie Lee Ivery, 15; Tim Lewis, 11 (what coulda been...); Ruettgers, 7; Sharpe, 7; Franks, 14; J. Walker, 20; Barnett, 29; Rodgers, 24; Raji, 9; CMIII, 29; Bulaga, 23; K. Clark, 27; Alexander, 18.
Since this was such fun, I looked up the rest of our division for notable players drafted in the top 5 since 1960.
Detroit: B. Sims, Sanders, B. Westbrook, C. Johnson, Suh, Stafford, Ansah.
MN: Tommy Mason, Yary, Doleman, and in a stretch, Kalil. Yup, that’s it!
Bears: Ditka, Butkus, Sayers, Payton, D. Hampton, McMahon, Trubisky.
You could argue that Chicago did the best drafting in the top 5 followed by Detroit, GB, and last as always, MN. Mostly, it shows that I think drafting in the top 5 is a crapshoot more than drafting in the mid- to later-third. So, don’t trade up! 😁
That was a very good list and it points out what we all know the draft is a crap shoot; more imprortant it is the year you draft because player pools are like crops some years is good uns and some years is badun's and some is it is poor practices (Mandarich) or bad luck (Sherrod). So that long warm up was leading to this when Gute lines his board up I hope he has identified some winners. I was a little tired of Elliot Wolfe hopping around like he won the Super Bowl when Mountainous Adams and Kyri Thorton were drafted, I want to see a few more Greg Jennings and Josh Sittons or TJ Langs!
While I tend to favor the more pokes at the ballon the chances you get it to pop philisophy- one if they saw a player worth Two good starters to move up for - if Josh Allen is a young Reggie White then go up and get him but if not can Jacai Polite be Tim Harris then we could still have George Fant who could do a reasonable imitation of Keith Jackson or David Johnson could he be a reasonable clone of Mark Tauscher (and he would probably be available in the early 40s of draft day) so you get my drift- this is a bumper crop year for interior D linemen or 3-4 types and a good year for WR's. So our other areas of weakness OL, TEs, and PR will take early draft capitol and good luck to help fill those holes!
Packers have three of the top 44 picks in this year's draft. Personally, I hope they use two of them on o-line and the other on an edge rusher. Success starts up front.
You can't just create/invent a guy. Other teams get to draft too.
You pick the best player available & move on to your next pick.
Reaching for positions of need is idiotic
Sign Clowney in fa if available and draft polite in the 1st round. Defense just got a whole lot better.
Mark Tauscher 7th round
Bakhtiari 4th round
GBFanForLife posted:Mark Tauscher 7th round
Bakhtiari 4th round
RT vs. LT.
I remember when they drafted Bulaga, many people on various boards thought he was a LT, and I was insistent that he was not a LT in the NFL, and was quickly proved correct. Same as Wahle, who nearly got Favre killed on several occasions. Moved to guard Wahle was excellent.
You really should not need a high pick for a quality RT, finding an All-Pro LT in the 4th round is very nice.
They need to build the OL this draft, and through FA as well. No excuses.
you abuse commas
El-Ka-Bong posted:you abuse commas
A sentence should begin with a capital letter.
You can't just create/invent a guy.
They basically created Steve Austin when they rebuilt him, didn't they?
excalibur posted:GBFanForLife posted:Mark Tauscher 7th round
Bakhtiari 4th round
RT vs. LT.
I remember when they drafted Bulaga, many people on various boards thought he was a LT, and I was insistent that he was not a LT in the NFL, and was quickly proved correct. Same as Wahle, who nearly got Favre killed on several occasions. Moved to guard Wahle was excellent.
You really should not need a high pick for a quality RT, finding an All-Pro LT in the 4th round is very nice.
They need to build the OL this draft, and through FA as well. No excuses.
Draft is a crapshoot.
And I thought I was the grammar Nazi around here. 
Go perv on Lindsay Wagner:
(Warning: she turns 70 later this year.)
I do not like being called a Commakaze by a Commanazi.
Brainwashed Boris posted:You can't just create/invent a guy. Other teams get to draft too.
You pick the best player available & move on to your next pick.
Reaching for positions of need is idiotic
Who's talking about inventing a guy? They have enough picks near the top of the draft to land talented linemen, offensive and defensive, regardless of what other teams do. if the best player available is a cornerback, should they pick him?
RochNyFan posted:Brainwashed Boris posted:You can't just create/invent a guy. Other teams get to draft too.
You pick the best player available & move on to your next pick.
Reaching for positions of need is idiotic
Who's talking about inventing a guy?
Did you say this?
RochNyFan posted:Packers have three of the top 44 picks in this year's draft. Personally, I hope they use two of them on o-line and the other on an edge rusher. Success starts up front.
I read that as being "locked in" on 2 positions for the top 3 selections. That is the absolute worst way to run a draft. That's Minnesota Viking like.
I'm saying the GM needs to let the draft come to him. Select the best football player available regardless of need or position & move along. Fortunately for us Packers fans, the Pack has a lot of needs & it'll all work out. Other than K, P or Long Snapper, I'd be happy with any 3 players that aren't a bust. That includes QB.
All I'm saying is that without improving the oline, this team is doomed to a repeat. It's a weak year for free agents, so it's going to have to be a priority for the draft.
I think Boris has a point! Drafting is an art and if you are good you are right about 1/3 of the time. Getting the rick pick at the right location is where GM's earn their stripes. Tauscher was probably drafted because of his soccer ball drill during pregame warmups- validated his feet, Dbak fell to the 4th round because of his size- he was widley thought to be second round value but only for zone blocking teams. We now these stories because they were success stories- I want to hear the reasons they drafted Kyri Thorton or the running back from Hawaii!
Just taking a stab at a pre-all-star game/combine/pro day draft. Will be interesting to see how some of these guys move up and down, just a few guys to like though heading into the offseason.
- I'm guessing GB addresses pass rusher via free agency rather than the draft. Assuming Pettine is retained, if you look at his time in NY he didn't have a premier pass rusher and really didn't in GB, but still was able to manufacture pressure. I think they can be just fine with free agents like Aaron Lynch, Za'Darius Smith, etc. rather than investing in a premier pass rusher either in the draft or via free agency.
Round 1: Jonah Williams, OT, Alabama
- Experienced starter at multiple positions, great size, elite technician, day 1 starter at RT or OG
Round 1 (trade up/ OAK): Cody Ford, OL, Oklahoma (6’4”/330 lbs.)
- Rare mix of size/strength and athleticism, high ceiling at OG, nasty and physical, day 1 starter
Round 2: Nasir Adderly, FS, Delaware (5’11”/200 lbs.)
- High IQ, plays fast, ball hawk, very aggressive, strong FS candidate, reminds of Kevin Byard
Round 3: To OAK
Round 4 (from OAK): Darnell Savage, FS, Maryland (5’11”/200 lbs.)
- Aggressive ball hawk with really good instincts, played well against good teams in 2018, can play multiple positions
Round 4: TJ Hockenson, TE, Iowa (6’5”/240 lbs.)
- B1G TE of the year in 2018, fantastic blocker, underrated receiving threat with savvy ability to get open
Round 4 (from WAS): Darrell Taylor, Edge, Tennessee (6’3”/250 lbs.)
- Edge rusher with starter potential, good size, improved every year, broke out in 2018 with quality coaching
Round 5: Kenny Willekes, Edge, Michigant St. (6’4”/250 lbs.)
- Unpolished hustle edge player with starter quality upside, B1G DL of the year in 2018
Round 6: Hunter Renfro, WR, Clemson (5’10”/180 lbs.)
- Undersized but savvy and dangerous Slot receiver with good hands and runs good routes, reminds of Cole Beasley
Round 6 (from SEA): Gardner Minshew, QB, Washington St. (6’2”/220 lbs.)
- Highly productive and experienced QB, high football IQ, looks like a good developmental guy
Round 7: JJ Taylor, RB, Arizona (5’6”/180 lbs.)
- Very undersized but in the mold of Tarik Cohen, speedy and versatile with great balance, worth a gamble
I could be wrong, but I think a lot of teams will be imitating the Colts way of improving their team meaning a run on OL in the draft. Could be wrong.
Jonah Williams would be a whale of a pick for the Pack!!
My gut feeling.... he's too highly thought of and won't last to pick 12, but if he's there, I would certainly think he'd have an excellent shot at being taken if he's available.
McGinns early draft notes had scouts with a varied opinion of Williams. One said he is not that gifted but he gets it done while another described him as having no strength or power and soft but has good feet. That same scout said he was not a 1st round pic. They did say Dillard from Washington State is the best pass blocker of the bunch and described Scharping from North Illinois as dominant.
Grave Digger, please explain your trade with Oakland.
Grave Digger posted:Round 4: TJ Hockenson, TE, Iowa (6’5”/240 lbs.)
- B1G TE of the year in 2018, fantastic blocker, underrated receiving threat with savvy ability to get open
I'm hoping he's still around with our second round pick. No way he falls to 4th round.
I also know his mom, wonderful lady, nice family.
El-Ka-Bong posted:Grave Digger posted:Round 4: TJ Hockenson, TE, Iowa (6’5”/240 lbs.)
- B1G TE of the year in 2018, fantastic blocker, underrated receiving threat with savvy ability to get open
I'm hoping he's still around with our second round pick. No way he falls to 4th round.
I also know his mom, wonderful lady, nice family.
Hockenson has until mid-January to make a decision. Already, a mock draft produced by The Athletic classifies Hockenson and Fant as late first-rounders for the 2019 draft.
https://www.hawkcentral.com/st...-ferentz/2216585002/
He’s ready now. He could be even more ready in 2020, for sure — maybe sure-fire, first-round ready. If he stayed, his development would continue under position coach Brian Ferentz — who once coached Rob Gronkowski with the New England Patriots.
He is the second Hawkeye to win the Mackey, of course. Dallas Clark was the other, in 2002.
All Clark did was become the one of the most prolific tight ends in the NFL. A late first-round pick of the Indianapolis Colts in 2003, Clark would enjoy an 11-year NFL career (mostly with Peyton Manning slinging him footballs) and racked up 505 catches for 5,665 yards and 53 touchdowns.
To suggest Hockenson could duplicate that type of career seems crazy.
Then again, it would have been equally crazy (even just three months ago) to predict this small-town Iowan would win the 2018 Mackey Award.
We need someone like this:
Round 7: JJ Taylor, RB, Arizona (5’6”/180 lbs.)
- Very undersized but in the mold of Tarik Cohen, speedy and versatile with great balance, worth a gamble
I obviously follow UA sports... JJ Taylor is like a jitter bug. Definitely not an every down player in the NFL but he'll be able to **** with a defense when rotated in.
Grave Digger posted:Just taking a stab at a pre-all-star game/combine/pro day draft. Will be interesting to see how some of these guys move up and down, just a few guys to like though heading into the offseason.
- I'm guessing GB addresses pass rusher via free agency rather than the draft. Assuming Pettine is retained, if you look at his time in NY he didn't have a premier pass rusher and really didn't in GB, but still was able to manufacture pressure. I think they can be just fine with free agents like Aaron Lynch, Za'Darius Smith, etc. rather than investing in a premier pass rusher either in the draft or via free agency.
Round 1: Jonah Williams, OT, Alabama
- Experienced starter at multiple positions, great size, elite technician, day 1 starter at RT or OG
Round 1 (trade up/ OAK): Cody Ford, OL, Oklahoma (6’4”/330 lbs.)
- Rare mix of size/strength and athleticism, high ceiling at OG, nasty and physical, day 1 starter
Round 2: Nasir Adderly, FS, Delaware (5’11”/200 lbs.)
- High IQ, plays fast, ball hawk, very aggressive, strong FS candidate, reminds of Kevin Byard
Round 3: To OAK
Round 4 (from OAK): Darnell Savage, FS, Maryland (5’11”/200 lbs.)
- Aggressive ball hawk with really good instincts, played well against good teams in 2018, can play multiple positions
Round 4: TJ Hockenson, TE, Iowa (6’5”/240 lbs.)
- B1G TE of the year in 2018, fantastic blocker, underrated receiving threat with savvy ability to get open
Round 4 (from WAS): Darrell Taylor, Edge, Tennessee (6’3”/250 lbs.)
- Edge rusher with starter potential, good size, improved every year, broke out in 2018 with quality coaching
Round 5: Kenny Willekes, Edge, Michigant St. (6’4”/250 lbs.)
- Unpolished hustle edge player with starter quality upside, B1G DL of the year in 2018
Round 6: Hunter Renfro, WR, Clemson (5’10”/180 lbs.)
- Undersized but savvy and dangerous Slot receiver with good hands and runs good routes, reminds of Cole Beasley
Round 6 (from SEA): Gardner Minshew, QB, Washington St. (6’2”/220 lbs.)
- Highly productive and experienced QB, high football IQ, looks like a good developmental guy
Round 7: JJ Taylor, RB, Arizona (5’6”/180 lbs.)
- Very undersized but in the mold of Tarik Cohen, speedy and versatile with great balance, worth a gamble
I disagree early. Pass rushers get the big bucks in free agency and getting a good one on a rookie deal with a fifth-year option would be HUGE, financially.
1A. Josh Allen/Jachai Polite/Montez Sweat OLB
Probably in that order. IMO Allen is a Melvin Ingram, Polite maybe a Harold Landry with better lateral movement and Sweat a more polished but slightly less explosive Marcus Davenport.
1B. Hopefully a trade out here as I really think an extra third would be huge. Let's call a Cincy trade for Drew Lock, basically giving Green Bay back-to-backs in the second and third. If they stay put, if somehow Sweat or another pass rusher falls here, go ahead and double up
2 & 3 Dalton Risner (OL, Kansas State), Chauncey Gardner-Johnson (FS/CB, Florida), Andre Dillard/Max Sharping/Badger lineman/Yodney Cajuste (OL) & Amani Oruwariye, Nasir Adderly, Darnell Savage, Johnathan Abram/Taylor Rapp/Juan Thornhill (DB)
Risner is a glass-eating beast but (like Chad Clifton and David Bakhtiari tbf) he's projected by many to move inside as his feet are a question. Inside or out, I think he starts for a long time in the league.
Gardner-Johnson has some Nick Collins to him and is very versatile. He can actually cover and is a decent tackler too.
The other offensive lineman is whichever guy falls to their pick and depends on where they see Risner.
The other DB is also big, be it either a corner or a safety. Alexander, King, Jackson, Chauncey-Gardner and Adderly would be a wickedly young but fun to watch group. I'm guessing Breeland and another veteran will be around also
4. Tyree Jackson QB Buffalo - Big-armed QB to develop.
Porter Gustin OLB USC - The new Clay Matthews. Durability has been spotty but he's a heck of a player when healthy. At this point, take the chance on greatness with Gustin or Willekes unless a Sweat, Winovich or another/second solid pass rush prospect is already taken. A TE like Hockenson would be sweet, but I doubt a good one will be there
5. This (or the other 4th) is where I'd hope to find slider at positions listed earlier was taken by a WR, TE or another position.
6. I'd be all over Renfro here also and I think JJ Taylor goes higher than Round 7.
7. Rodrigo Blankenship K Georgia - If they move on from Crosby, this might be the guy, otherwise maybe a Andrew Van Ginkel or Ryan Connolly as they would both likely be special teams aces.