Every positIon is on the table at 12
Skeptical King will ever be healthy a whole season so CB is possible
S is a major hole but a weak S class
OLB a higher priority than ILB but both backer spots are needs.
OL most glaring need by a mile
TE a major weakness
WR and RB less pressing but if you can get a difference maker then it has to be considered.
Given our recent acquisition of an expert OL personnel man in the front office, gotta think OL will be a major emphasis this draft.
I don’t care if Guts goes OL or OLB or QB or Waterboy, as long as he gets a top starter. It’s not like he can be choosy right now and wait till the perfect player falls.
Chongo posted:
Every positIon is on the table at 12
Skeptical King will ever be healthy a whole season so CB is possible
S is a major hole but a weak S class
OLB a higher priority than ILB but both backer spots are needs.
OL most glaring need by a mile
TE a major weakness
WR and RB less pressing but if you can get a difference maker then it has to be considered.
Given our recent acquisition of an expert OL personnel man in the front office, gotta think OL will be a major emphasis this draft.
Agree. My hope/assumption is Gute fills some of these holes with free agency. It's way early, but theres some nice looking defensive players coming out from Clemson. Oklahoma has a nice looking OL too.
Lotta holes for sure... ultimate team game.
None of the 6 highest paid QBs in the league made the playoffs in 2018. They combined for 31 wins.
Aaron Rodgers: $33.5M
Matt Ryan: $30M
Kirk Cousins: $28M
Jimmy Garoppolo: $27.5M
Matthew Stafford: $27M
Derek Carr: $25M
Chongo posted:
Every positIon is on the table at 12
Skeptical King will ever be healthy a whole season so CB is possible
S is a major hole but a weak S class
OLB a higher priority than ILB but both backer spots are needs.
OL most glaring need by a mile
TE a major weakness
WR and RB less pressing but if you can get a difference maker then it has to be considered.
Given our recent acquisition of an expert OL personnel man in the front office, gotta think OL will be a major emphasis this draft.
True.
Sounds like the BPA to me.
Wow. Indicative of too much $$$ for one guy? Is there any other QB on that list besides Rodgers that you’d take today if you were starting a franchise? (Assuming you would take AR.)
Hungry5 posted:Lotta holes for sure... ultimate team game.
None of the 6 highest paid QBs in the league made the playoffs in 2018. They combined for 31 wins.
Aaron Rodgers: $33.5M
Matt Ryan: $30M
Kirk Cousins: $28M
Jimmy Garoppolo: $27.5M
Matthew Stafford: $27M
Derek Carr: $25M
Hmmmm... QB driven league??
Fandame posted:Wow. Indicative of too much $$$ for one guy? Is there any other QB on that list besides Rodgers that you’d take today if you were starting a franchise? (Assuming you would take AR.)
I'm not sure what to think about AR. I wasn't impressed with his play at all this year. Could've been his age, the scheme, no OL, crappy supporting cast, the injury, schit coaches or a combination there of. All I know is he wasn't the same AR we've been watching for the past decade by any stretch of the imagination.
Would I build a team around him today if I were starting a franchise? Tough call...
Fandame posted:Is there any other QB on that list besides Rodgers that you’d take today if you were starting a franchise? (Assuming you would take AR.)
I would take Garrapolo. But that's it.
I still think it is. Imagine the records of those 6 teams if Kizer, Gabbert, Tannehill , or A few others were the starting QB.
Nothing I saw today would lead me to believe the problem at backup QB is close to being solved. Probably should add that to the list of holes needing to be plugged.
Totally agree that the backup QB position is still shaky. Maybe the one saving grace is that Tim Boyle showed he has an arm that neither Hundley or Kizer really have. That said, he's no sure thing either as he showed a deer in the headlights look when pressured in his final pre-season action. It's worth watching Boyle's development under the next coaching staff.
Kizer just strikes me as a guy that for every 1 really good play, he'll make 2 mind numbingly bad plays to kill your chances of winning. I think he's not much better than Hundley was, and I'm not even convinced he is better at all.
FOR **** SAKES. Stop looking at this offense in past tense. You could spend the next 25 years trying to find a backup QB to unravel the offensive shit show that Mike assembled. It’s. Never. Happening.
Its a mother ****ing miracle Rodgers made it go.
Kizer is garbage.
I don't want to waste a pick on a QB. Rodgers is playing for at least 4 more years, so by the time he leaves your pick is on his 2nd contract.
Sign a capable veteran to backup. If Rodgers goes down for an extended time the season is over either way. What we need is an insurance policy that can go 1-1 during a short Rodgers absence.
Start looking for the next starter in 2 or 3 years, not now.
I ****ing give up.
Pakrz posted:Fandame posted:Wow. Indicative of too much $$$ for one guy? Is there any other QB on that list besides Rodgers that you’d take today if you were starting a franchise? (Assuming you would take AR.)
I'm not sure what to think about AR. I wasn't impressed with his play at all this year. Could've been his age, the scheme, no OL, crappy supporting cast, the injury, schit coaches or a combination there of. All I know is he wasn't the same AR we've been watching for the past decade by any stretch of the imagination.
Would I build a team around him today if I were starting a franchise? Tough call...
AR never really had a chance this year. He barely played in pre-season, then suffered a serious injury before even playing a full 2 quarters of the first game. I know he missed a lot of practice time, especially earlier in the year.
A younger, healthier more engaged AR might have milked a few more wins out of this sorry team. An injury ravaged, discouraged Rodgers couldn't rescue this wreck.
To me the biggest concern for the future with AR is that his injuries are becoming more frequent. He's going to have to tweak his playing style and the Pack is going to have to work hard to find some guys that can protect an aging more injury prone QB better than they did this year. For years the Pack has lived dangerously with a lack of depth in the O-Line, and this year with no Jahri Evans and with other guys getting hurt "the dam broke" and so did Rodgers' body.
Overall, the QB situation doesn’t look great for the future if this is a QB-driven league. Younger guys showing promise: Mahomes, Watson, Jackson, Mayfield. Younger guys on who the jury is still out: Darnold, Rosen. Younger guys who look so-so: Trubisky, Allen, Prescott, MAriotta. Younger guys who need to find new careers: Bortles, Winston, Tannehill. Carr looked good and then regressed. Not sure what to do with Garrapolo as he hasn’t started enough, yet he shows promise.
Older guys who still look good: Rodgers, Brees, Rivers, Brady. Almost any/all could retire very soon. Older guys in midling range: Rothlesberger, Luck (no arm), Ryan, Newton, Stafford, Wilson, Cousins. Older guys hanging on: Manning, Keenum, Dalton, Fitzpatrick, Gabbert, Bradford.
I’m having trouble getting super excited about any of the young guys except maybe Mahomes. Any college guys to get hyped about?
The Alabama QB has the chance to be really good. The Georgia QB looks like he could be very good as well. I don't know if they'll be franchise QBs, but they could make very good Pro QBs.
Pakrz posted:Fandame posted:Wow. Indicative of too much $$$ for one guy? Is there any other QB on that list besides Rodgers that you’d take today if you were starting a franchise? (Assuming you would take AR.)
I'm not sure what to think about AR. I wasn't impressed with his play at all this year. Could've been his age, the scheme, no OL, crappy supporting cast, the injury, schit coaches or a combination there of. All I know is he wasn't the same AR we've been watching for the past decade by any stretch of the imagination.
Would I build a team around him today if I were starting a franchise? Tough call...
Well IMHO on Aaron I think we have become incredibly spoiled EXTREMELY spoiled. He still threw for 4,400 yards, 25 TD's and TWO interceptions (both were tipped) . At one point in our history as Packers fans we would have jumped up and down to get that kind of production.
So to me I think it was a perfect storm on AR this year. I personally think his knee bothered him more than was reported, he had rookie receivers everywhere, the OL was really a mess with all the injuries and as anyone who has ever played the game knows if the OL has no continutity the team will suffer, a thin rosters that at one point had that had 15 rookies active on game day, and yes a stale scheme.
That’s not fair to just look at his raw numbers and judge his performance. I think everyone is in agreement that 2 INT is a staggeringly positive stat, but Rodgers had more throwaways, took more sacks, and the most missed throws of his career. He didn’t play up to his standards and honestly was average to slightly above average for the NFL despite his TD:INT ratio. We don’t expect him to play like it’s 2011 because we’re spoiled, it’s because he’s paid to play like that.
That question is whether the surrounding talent was the cause, if it was the coach/scheme, or just a slump. 2/3 of those will hopefully get solved or at least improved this offseason.
saw one game of QB Jake Fromm from Georgia this year and was impressed as well
Given how invested they are in Rodgers they must make it a priority to improve the OL and the defense (any BPA positions)
Plus, you have to prepare for the future. As we have seen with Chicago you can get by with mediocre QB play if you have a really good defense. They have to get more balance.
I like the QB out of Clemson (Lawrence?)
Not sure if he is coming out this year or not but he looks pretty good to me.
Edit: Just read that he is only a freshman. Damn...
Grave Digger posted:That question is whether the surrounding talent was the cause, if it was the coach/scheme, or just a slump. 2/3 of those will hopefully get solved or at least improved this offseason.
I don't think it's a question at all. Even if you subtract the rookies at skill positions nothing good happens when the oline is getting destroyed. There was always at least one serious weak spot on that line all season only to degenerate to the shit show on the right side.
That's the reality. Rodgers may have his own issues to address but look no further than the oline.
Grave Digger posted:That’s not fair to just look at his raw numbers and judge his performance. I think everyone is in agreement that 2 INT is a staggeringly positive stat, but Rodgers had more throwaways, took more sacks, and the most missed throws of his career. He didn’t play up to his standards and honestly was average to slightly above average for the NFL despite his TD:INT ratio. We don’t expect him to play like it’s 2011 because we’re spoiled, it’s because he’s paid to play like that.
That question is whether the surrounding talent was the cause, if it was the coach/scheme, or just a slump. 2/3 of those will hopefully get solved or at least improved this offseason.
That is a fair and valid point on his performance this year but I truly believe it was the players around him. I think having an OL that was pretty beat up all year and having receivers who are talented but so raw didn't help either. One consistent thing that teams at all levels have is very good OL play and I think the offense will turn around in a big hurry if they fix the OL.
The keen injury and the OL likely both contributed to Rodger's issues. I noted yesterday that he threw off his back foot a lot this year, never really stepping into throws. Pivoting on the left knee when steppng through may have been limiting, and then not knowing if the pocket would be clean had to effect his ability to step into throws. All of this becomes a QB case of the yips?
He didn't become a crap QB over night.
That trade for the high first round pick in 2019 draft worked. Moved us into #12 while we still hold our usual late first round spot.
Lots of holes on defense to plug should be fun to watch if Mr G opts for quantity versus quality or a novel approach we haven't seen lately quality quantity.
Happy New Year
I still think they take a pass rusher with the first pick.
Saints pick will be a fatboy. 2nd rounder will be a TE out of Iowa.
At least two more o-lineman will be selected later. I think Gute skips Safety and figures out something in FA
Henry posted:I don't think it's a question at all. Even if you subtract the rookies at skill positions nothing good happens when the oline is getting destroyed. There was always at least one serious weak spot on that line all season only to degenerate to the shit show on the right side.
That's the reality. Rodgers may have his own issues to address but look no further than the oline.
Yeah I mean that’s a major one right there, I don’t think the OL is to blame for all the issues. We saw Rodgers miss throws and make bad reads when had time, which he did at times, so to me it was likely a combination of several different factors. Young WRs didn’t know wtf they were doing, OL wasn’t healthy with poor depth which didn’t allow consistency, and Rodgers health overall were the biggest issues. I don’t think MM adapted well to those problems and the whole system just couldn’t get any footing or any identity. The draft, a new coach, or free agency alone won’t solve all these problems, Gute needs to nail all 3.
#12 and #28-32 depending on playoff results.
Pakrz posted:I like the QB out of Clemson (Lawrence?)
Not sure if he is coming out this year or not but he looks pretty good to me.
Edit: Just read that he is only a freshman. Damn...
Haha. Yes, he's 19 years old but has a chance to be the next Andrew Luck
YATittle posted:#12 and #28-32 depending on playoff results.
So, 3 of the top 44 picks.
That's not bad...now they just need to find football players & avoid drafting another high bust (Srpiggs)
I would not rule out Gute taking the 12th and 30th’ish picks and trying to jump into the top 5 for a true blue chip edge rusher like Josh Allen if he happens to slide a few spots.
Early mocks are pretty consistent that GB will select edge rusher Jachai Polite out of Florida if they stay at 12.
Brainwashed Boris posted:Pakrz posted:I like the QB out of Clemson (Lawrence?)
Not sure if he is coming out this year or not but he looks pretty good to me.
Edit: Just read that he is only a freshman. Damn...
Haha. Yes, he's 19 years old but has a chance to be the next Andrew Luck
YATittle posted:#12 and #28-32 depending on playoff results.
So, 3 of the top 44 picks.
That's not bad...now they just need to find football players & aboid drafting another high bust (Srpiggs)
Lots of readers on this board have grey hair so we can all remember when drafting an O lineman in the 1st round was like buying a BMW you knew what you were getting- for the last 10 years (with the spread offenses) you are drafting athletes who can run and are strong but can't play in the NFL. GB had such a run turning tackles into Guards I hope the magic returns this year, as they need two. They also really need a replacment of Bulaga and if they found a pup to grow I would be happy with that as well! They may be able to use some FA dollars on one guard but decent tackles are like sexy blondes they are almost never available.
So llike everybody else I am assuming that GB is praying one of the Allens (Josh or Zack) or Cellin Ferrell are available, but are resigning themselves to one of the next tier pass rushers (Polite, Burns or Xiemees) but I just wonder if one of the Tackles might not be the best option at 12! We will see but should Gute fill that hole with a FA then I hope he takes the second best LT at 12 as Williams from Alabama will be lonnng gone!
I'm hoping it's Tackle as well. Bulaga may have one year left, he may not. It's beyond time that we addressed this.
Gutekunst's need list:
1 = OLB (assuming they stick with a 3-4)
2 = everything else
El-Ka-Bong posted:I still think they take a pass rusher with the first pick.
Saints pick will be a fatboy. 2nd rounder will be a TE out of Iowa.
At least two more o-lineman will be selected later. I think Gute skips Safety and figures out something in FA
To me what they do in the draft and free agency will depend on whether they stay a 3-4 team or if they go with a 4-3 philosophy. All I know is that I don't care where they draft on defense I want to see play makers. But one thing I would really like to see is that they acquire some safeties that the other team has to respect. But if it is a pass rusher I am totally ok with that.
On offense I want them to get a RG, RT, TE, and better playmakers out of the WR position. I think there is talent at WR now just not a guy yet that is a huge playmaker.
I like the EQ kid. He really seems like a smooth route runner and catches everything with his hands. He made some really tough catches this year. I look for him to really take a step forward and in memory of MM, stack the success of this year.
Gute was seemingly targeting Alexander in R1 last year and I wouldn’t be surprised if he did the same this year. A guy like Clelin Ferrell makes a lot of sense as a target, so does a guy like Parris Campbell. Move up a couple spots for Ferrell or down a couple spots for Campbell to pair with Adams, that’s a good start. A guy like Jonah Williams makes sense in the latter scenario also.
ChilliJon posted:I would not rule out Gute taking the 12th and 30th’ish picks and trying to jump into the top 5 for a true blue chip edge rusher like Josh Allen if he happens to slide a few spots.
Early mocks are pretty consistent that GB will select edge rusher Jachai Polite out of Florida if they stay at 12.
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