Isn't BeII one screw up from a haIf season suspension?
A headcase and almost on 3rd strike. No thanks.
And I agree, I think our 2nd and 3rd receivers are on the roster already.
Pikes Peak posted:No to Bell, the RB room is just fine,
No it isn't. It's a tough position & you need depth.
I did say priority #1 was "Fix the O-Line"
Pikes Peak posted:No to Bell, the RB room is just fine, spend the resources where they are truly needed, OL, Safety and LB/pass rusher. The running back stats will improve greatly with an improved line.
Even though he sat out this year (essentially saying FU to his teammates), Bell's had a lot of touches in his career and running backs tend to have a short shelf life. Not worth the money he is seeking.
a) I think we have a bunch of 3's in MVS, ESB and Geronomi Allisone. MVS shows the most promise to become a true 2. Would not hate using FA or one of the top 3 picks in the draft on a WR.
b) Huge Bell fan, he might be talented enough to make the Oline look even better. Still not sure that is where I want resources to go though.
c) I still want to draft a pass rusher first, then a fatboy with one (or both, would not mind) of the next two picks. I see two safeties getting drafted from the 3rd round on.
d) I'm curious to see how Mayo LaFrog uses tight ends. I wonder if they are an afterthought in his offense and the TE we end up seeing GB pick is a block first, catch seldom kind of guy.
1) "A bunch of 3's" is fine. Also there's Kumerow. And Cobb could be back if some team doesn't throw stupid money at him.. Really, with all the holes at OL and TE and S and LB, I don't think there's the luxury of using more resources at WR. LaFrog's system is supposed to get guys open right? MVS, ST. Brown, Allison, Kumerow, all those guys have good hands. We're good.
2) I agree with Boris, you can never have enough RB's. Count on the first 2 guys getting hurt.
3) Pass rush and OL. OL and pass rush. There's your 2 top priorities right there in either order.
4) Which leaves Safety and TE. 2 more glaring needs. Yeah: Lots of holes.
if Gute gets a safety in free agency then the 2nd safety is already on the roster or possibly a draft pic. If he can sign Earl Thomas then Jackson, Breeland, Jones or a draft pick could probably fill in. Then spend the first three pics on an edge rusher and offensive linemen. Cole Madison may come back but I dont have a lot of confidence he will be 100% committed. As good as MVS was this year, next year he should really take off. And EQ may be the best of the bunch. Looking foward to what they can show next year.
Boris is right, the team needs more depth at Running back. Aaron Jones cant stay healthy. I like Jamaal Williams but he is nto going to win any race.
I thought MVS's production dropped off after his TD game against the Rams.
I don't think there is enough data on MVS and ESB.
El-Ka-Bong posted:Mayo LaFrog
This is it. It's been workshopped and has a snappy, right off the tongue feel. It's also equally endearing and debasing at the same time and "face" can be worked into any part of it.
Mayo LaFrog.
"La" is the new "Mc"
I will see if Gute needs my phone number. 1st four rounds of Fan Speak latest. I dont see Parris making it to the 4th round.
12: R1P12 EDGE JACHAI POLITE
FLORIDA
32: R1P32 G MICHEAL DEITER
WISCONSIN
44: R2P12 TE IRV SMITH
ALABAMA
75: R3P11 WR PARRIS CAMPBELL
OHIO STATE
114: R4P12 S JOHNATHAN ABRAM
MISSISSIPPI STATE
118: R4P16 OT DAVID EDWARDS
WISCONSIN
I love that draft, but did Dave Edwards break both knees that he is still around at pick 118?
Well, the Badgers weren't very good this year....
Yeah, that fourth round is a pair of possible first rounders. That's the hard thing is they're pretty list dependent and it's early. I ran one with trades and came up with:
1/12: Josh Allen OLB Kentucky - He could go higher, so it could be Polite, Sweat or Burns here.
1/32: Jacksonville trades up for Drew Lock and a fifth-year option. The Jaguars send their 2nd and two thirds for this pick, Green Bay's 4th, 6th (and a 5th next year)
2/7: Johnathan Abram S Mississippi State
2/12: Dalton Risner OL Kansas State
3/6: Chase Winovich OLB Michigan
3/11: Nasir Adderly DB Delaware - He or Chauncy Gardner-Johnson from Florida are the hope one lands here.
3/29: Max Sharping OL Northern Illinois
4/16: Tyree Jackson QB Buffalo
5/12: Jake Breeland TE Oregon - He should have gone back to school, IMO, but this is a good spot for him.
6/22: Hunter Renfrew WR Clemson - He's a poor-man's Julian Edelman but is a crafty slot receiver.
7/12: Olive Sagapalu DT Wisconsin - A big man who moves fairly well is always worth a shot.
"And Cobb could be back if some team doesn't throw stupid money at him.."
One report I've read says that GB will resign Cobb and Lewis.
Fedya posted:Well, the Badgers weren't very good this year....
The Badgers RBs this year averaged the following per carry.
Taylor 7.1 yards per carry. Deal - 6.6. Groshek - 6.5. Ingold - 5.5. Chris James - 4.7.
Every RB that carried the ball for Wisconsin this year averaged at least 4.7 YPC. The OL was an outstanding run blocking unit despite having some of the worst QB play you'll ever see and having their two best WRs from camp under criminal investigation. They averaged this running the ball despite the fact that they were facing 8 men in the box almost every down.
The Badgers were an 11 win team quarterbacked by a 4-5 win QB.
Run the ball well and play top 10-14 defense with Aaron Rodgers?
Improve your OL...you'll be amazed how a RB that seemed average before can look like an All-Pro... #TerrellDavis
YATittle posted:Leery of another Alabama player like Haha or Lacey.
YA: I had that same reservation and many scouts predicted that Lacy would eat himself away from the table and I guess they were right! I loved him the the 1st two years in GB but appetite and injuries didn't even grant him the 66 games power runners usually have in the NFL! HaHa was always a puzzle to me he seemed a great athlete w/o a feel for the game! So whom ever we draft somebody with some football instincts and a passion for the game!!
Brainwashed Boris posted:I believe #2 WR is already on the roster. (MVS or ESB or Geronimo), did ya forget about him? I didn't.
There's 2 portions of drafting...the 2nd is development.
If this offense is going to get "fixed" a guy like Bell would "fix it" while the Pack still has Jones & Williams for depth.
Boris: That is a good point, it seemed as soon as the season was over the Packers couldn't wait get rid of the WR coach. Lots of reports that he didn't mesh well with other staff or the players no beeter way not to develop talent than to hire folks who can't teach them!! During the season I really liked MVS but the last couple of games St Brown really seemed to show something, and if Moore ever learns to hold on to the football he could be out field stretcher!!!
Pack88 posted:YA: I had that same reservation and many scouts predicted that Lacy would eat himself away from the table and I guess they were right! I loved him the the 1st two years in GB but appetite and injuries didn't even grant him the 66 games power runners usually have in the NFL! HaHa was always a puzzle to me he seemed a great athlete w/o a feel for the game! So whom ever we draft somebody with some football instincts and a passion for the game!!
Can source this because I don't remember that specific issue being discussed with Lacy? There were issues about his passion and whether he loved football because he's a quiet guy, but he was never out of shape at Bama and really it wasn't until year 3 in the NFL that there was a whiff of a weight issue.
Speaking of Alabama RB's, CBS sports has the Pack taking one in the 1st:
Joshua Jacobs, RB, Alabama. Coming into the season, Damien Harris was the name to know as the best draft-eligible Alabama running back. But Jacobs has been the more dynamic player this season. He breaks tackles at a 38.5 percent clip (that's third in the country among backs with at least 50 touches) and 41.3 percent of his carries result in first downs (that's No. 2). A running back may not slip into the first round but if one does, Jacobs is a good bet -- assuming he leaves school early. New Packers coach Matt LaFleur ran the ball more than half the time in Tennessee last season, and a more balanced attack in Green Bay could prolong Aaron Rodgers' career.
Grave Digger posted:Can source this because I don't remember that specific issue being discussed with Lacy? There were issues about his passion and whether he loved football because he's a quiet guy, but he was never out of shape at Bama and really it wasn't until year 3 in the NFL that there was a whiff of a weight issue.
This was written at the time of the combine:
NFL.com's Bucky Brooks reported Thursday Lacy ran the 40-yard dash in 4.57 and 4.60 seconds. Lacy reportedly posted times of 4.58 and 4.62 at the Senior Bowl.
"Lacy flashed outstanding talent as a runner and receiver, but lack of stamina is definitely a concern," Brooks tweeted. "Struggled the entire workout w/wind. The lack of conditioning exhibited today will lead some coaches and scouts to question his work ethic. Concerns must be addressed in (meetings)."
The 40 time was expected, but there might be some concerns with Lacy being out of shape. You'd think he's been working his hardest in the run-up to the 2013 NFL Draft, but his conditioning could have taken a hit from not being able to run because of the hamstring injury.
Lacy gained over 30 pounds in his three years at Alabama ....that & his tweeting about Gummy Bears & "China Food" was enough for concern.
Alabama I thought had him on a weigh in schedule. He looked pretty trim when he was running for them at I believe 225.
Chongo posted:LT from Bama is the real deal...if he's there at 10, you gotta consider taking him. DL is very, very deep this draft...there will be guys at the end of round 1 (Saints pick) and 2nd and 3rd.
That Tackle sure didn't look very good against Clemson. I think he ends up being a G. I wouldn't touch any of the OT at the 12th pick. Going to be lots of better players available than any of them.
GB could add a WR, DT, DE, OLB, S, ILB at the 12th pick. Then come back and add another of those and maybe a RB in rd 2 or 3.
I'm hoping for a trade down from the Saint's pick for a 2nd an 3rd because I think this draft is loaded.
packerboi posted:Grave Digger posted:Can source this because I don't remember that specific issue being discussed with Lacy? There were issues about his passion and whether he loved football because he's a quiet guy, but he was never out of shape at Bama and really it wasn't until year 3 in the NFL that there was a whiff of a weight issue.
This was written at the time of the combine:
NFL.com's Bucky Brooks reported Thursday Lacy ran the 40-yard dash in 4.57 and 4.60 seconds. Lacy reportedly posted times of 4.58 and 4.62 at the Senior Bowl.
"Lacy flashed outstanding talent as a runner and receiver, but lack of stamina is definitely a concern," Brooks tweeted. "Struggled the entire workout w/wind. The lack of conditioning exhibited today will lead some coaches and scouts to question his work ethic. Concerns must be addressed in (meetings)."
The 40 time was expected, but there might be some concerns with Lacy being out of shape. You'd think he's been working his hardest in the run-up to the 2013 NFL Draft, but his conditioning could have taken a hit from not being able to run because of the hamstring injury.
Yeah there’s nothing about him “eating himself out of the league”. All that says is that he had a hamstring injury and Bucky Brooks (not a scout) giving his opinion about how coaches might questionhis work ethic. No quotes from coaches or scouts. That’s a huge reach from the previously quoted “many scouts predicted he would eat himself out of the league...”
YATittle posted:Alabama I thought had him on a weigh in schedule. He looked pretty trim when he was running for them at I believe 225.
He weighed 231 at the combine. Perhaps it was impossible to do, but I was very disappointed that MM was never able to control Lacy's weight. Heck Cowboys hire guys to follow players around so they don't get in trouble ....could they have hired a trainer to live with Lacy and monitor his calorie intake? I can understand offseason, but he appeared to gain weight DURING the season!
Who do you draft gurus compare Devin White to? We talking Ray Lewis game changer type of dude at MLB?
I'm talking to you Digger.
If you’re talking H/W/S he’s a Bobby Wagner clone, bulkier Deion Jones or Ryan Shazier maybe. ILB is about that mental game as much as the speed and hitting, if he gets the right coaching he will be an All Pro like Wagner, if he has Winston Moss coaching him he will be AJ Hawk.
Kevin Greene, where have you gone . . .
Who is the LB coach right now? Simmons?
AtTheMurph posted:Chongo posted:LT from Bama is the real deal...if he's there at 10, you gotta consider taking him. DL is very, very deep this draft...there will be guys at the end of round 1 (Saints pick) and 2nd and 3rd.
That Tackle sure didn't look very good against Clemson. I think he ends up being a G. I wouldn't touch any of the OT at the 12th pick. Going to be lots of better players available than any of them.
GB could add a WR, DT, DE, OLB, S, ILB at the 12th pick. Then come back and add another of those and maybe a RB in rd 2 or 3.
I'm hoping for a trade down from the Saint's pick for a 2nd an 3rd because I think this draft is loaded.
I do not see him as a LT in the NFL. Much like Mike Wahle who nearly got Favre killed on several occasions until they moved him [Wahle] inside. Then he was a player.
FLPACKER posted:YATittle posted:Alabama I thought had him on a weigh in schedule. He looked pretty trim when he was running for them at I believe 225.
He weighed 231 at the combine. Perhaps it was impossible to do, but I was very disappointed that MM was never able to control Lacy's weight. Heck Cowboys hire guys to follow players around so they don't get in trouble ....could they have hired a trainer to live with Lacy and monitor his calorie intake? I can understand offseason, but he appeared to gain weight DURING the season!
McStale himself followed Lacy around. You can see the results on both of them.
Excalibur. You’re an idiot. Assemble a logical thought or go away. Seriously. What the **** is wrong with you.
ChilliJon posted:Excalibur. You’re an idiot. Assemble a logical thought or go away. Seriously. What the **** is wrong with you.
What the heck are you going on about? Speak! Or STFU.
Henry posted:Kevin Greene, where have you gone . . .
Who is the LB coach right now? Simmons?
Winston Moss was OLBs, Patrick Graham was ILBs and Scott McCurley was a defensive assistant, but was the ILB coach in 2017. Graham is possibly going to be stolen by Brian Flores I saw on Twitter, Moss is obviously gone, and I hope McCurley is shown the door as well. I'm not sad to see this group of coaches go honestly, Mart seemed to take a step back in 2018 and Burks apparently couldn't figure things out enough to get on the field. Simmson was the "Secondary" coach in 2018 after being our....Assistant Special Teams coach for the previous 3 years. Maybe he can head out too. Guy got promoted after MM saw our ST's body of work, Zook was likely his only reference.
Interesting. This kid might not even be around at 12 for GB. Love to have him though.
Lots of differing views on Cody Ford at this point in process. I've heard teams projecting him at OG (thinking Brandon Brooks/Andrus Peat type of player - played LG '16/'17). I've heard some that they see another Cordy Glenn/Carl Nicks (who were freak athletes at 340+lbs) https://t.co/O9qeBWK6fm
— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) January 15, 2019
Good information on Jonah Williams from Tony Pauline:
http://draftanalyst.com/shrine-game-notes-monday
- I never graded Alabama offensive lineman Jonah Williams as a top-10 selection and have said so publically. In fact, I project him at guard in the NFL rather than left tackle. Williams is superb fundamentally but lacks the athleticism, agility and footwork to stay at left tackle on Sundays. Since the national title game, I’ve spoken with at least a dozen insiders and scouts to see if I was off base, yet they all agreed with me. The earliest grade I’ve received on him is the mid-first round, while some project him as a second-round selection. Everyone I’ve spoken with projects Williams to guard at the next level.
