Grave Digger posted:You can teach a guy to catch,
Drops were more a concern with J'Mon Moore, though it was also somewhat a question with MVS. And even though he had two pure drops, his catch percentage was only around 50%.
Michael Deiter is having a nice game in Mobile, as are some other linemen. It looks like there are some good, mid-round guys in the game.
I like this kid #MAGA
FULLBACK HIGHLIGHT!!!!!!!!! Wisconsin FB Alec Ingold destroyed Stanford LB Bobby Okereke! SHEESH! pic.twitter.com/h74wVjC4GU
— #NobodyDied (@ftbeard_17) January 26, 2019
I'd be thrilled to see something like this, if for no other reason than Josh Allen still being on the board at 12.
In this scenario, the algorithm has Haskins go to the Giants so Jacksonvile trades with Oakland, who make a huge move up and end up with Nick Bosa and Devin White. Meanwhile Jacksonville ends up with Andre Dillard, Jaylon Ferguson and, with Green Bay's pick, Drew Lock. There may have been some nice trade offers for #12, but with Allen on the board I didn't bother to look.
Round 1 Pick 12: Allen, Josh, OLB, Kentucky (Packers should run this pick up immediately if he's still on the board. Gutekunst would deserve every kick in the nuts wished upon him if he traded down and missed getting Allen in the process)
Round 2 Pick 3 (OAK): Edwards, David, OT, Wisconsin (Swing tackle and heir to Bulaga)
Round 2 Pick 6 (JAX): Adderley, Nassir, CB/FS, Delaware (A safety who can cover receivers man-to-man)
Round 3 Pick 5 (JAX): Gardner-Johnson, Chauncey, FS, Florida (Another safety with corner skills, ala Nick Collins)
Round 3 Pick 11: Samuel, Deebo, WR, South Carolina (A beefier Greg Jennings)
Round 4 Pick 12: Deiter, Michael, OG, Wisconsin (will start at one guard spot Day 1)
Round 4 Pick 24 (CHI): Oliver, Josh, TE, San Jose State (intriguing prospect and TEs generally don't do much their rookie years anyway)
Round 5 Pick 12: Powers, Ben, OG, Oklahoma (Does Lane Taylor hold on to his job? Two rookie guards could well be starting in this scenario)
Round 5 Pick 24 (CHI): Granderson, Carl, DE, Wyoming (undersized speed rushing prospect, was hoping for Tyree Jackson, but he had just went as did two the two OTs I was looking at. )
Round 6 Pick 12: Finley, Ryan, QB, North Carolina State (Take a flier on a QB, consolation for missing Tyree Jackson)
Round 6 Pick 21: Sagapolu, Olive, DT, Wisconsin (Late-round flier on a big man with movement skills)
Round 7 Pick 12: Pollard, Tony, WR/RB, Memphis (Toy position
There is zero possible way Josh Allen is available at 12. I. Mean. Zero. ZERO!
in the words of Fortune from Rudy. “Are you hearing me clear enough?”
ZERO
Allen might be the first player taken. He should be. He’s 1st Team All Pro material.
If by some crazy assed set of circumstances Josh Allen slides to available at 5 then Gute needs to put a package together and go get him.
But that’s never going to happen. He’s too good. He’s this years Nelson or Barkley.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/...-murray-to-dolphins/
According to this mock he goes #1 overall
Josh Allen should be 1. He’s going to better than Bosa.
Gute may trade down from 12 and from the top of the 2nd and end up with 2 picks in each of the first 4 rounds of the draft.
Its there if that’s the route he chooses to go.
Just depends how the draft falls.
All it takes is a team or 2 ahead of the Pack to reach for a player & then Gute's player tier on the board gets fat.
Rule #1 - Don't jump the board
If Gute is sitting at 12 & he has 5 players sitting there in his top tier, you can absolutely see him trading down a couple spots. If only 1 player is left in his tier, he'll probably select that player.
The best example of this, as we all know, is Rodgers sitting there at #24 - The last player on TT's board with a first round grade.
The big question is how many players have 1st round grades in the 2019 draft?
adderley balled out at the senior bowl - he may not even be there at the end of 1st if he has a good combine/pro-day.
I concur on Adderley. He is a mid first rounder if he has a great combine.
I have never seen a year where the top prospects vary from one site to the next. Some kid is ranked in the top 10 on some boards and 2nd round by others. J Allen would be a great add to the Packers but he is a top 5 prospect and probaly is gone in the top 3. If Gute were to trade up to the top five to get him it will end up costing more than what he could have had Kalil Mack for.
Floridarob posted:I have never seen a year where the top prospects vary from one site to the next. Some kid is ranked in the top 10 on some boards and 2nd round by others. J Allen would be a great add to the Packers but he is a top 5 prospect and probaly is gone in the top 3. If Gute were to trade up to the top five to get him it will end up costing more than what he could have had Kalil Mack for.
Minus the 90 million over the next 4 years. That's why it's so important to get production out of your draft picks.
Floridarob posted:I have never seen a year where the top prospects vary from one site to the next. Some kid is ranked in the top 10 on some boards and 2nd round by others. J Allen would be a great add to the Packers but he is a top 5 prospect and probaly is gone in the top 3. If Gute were to trade up to the top five to get him it will end up costing more than what he could have had Kalil Mack for.
It's going to be interesting, that's for sure.
The top tier is probably something like.
Nick Bosa, Clellin Farrell, Rashan Gary, Josh Allen, Devin White, Dexter Lawrence, Jeffrey Simmons, Quinnen Williams, Ed Oliver, Christian Wilkins, Greedy Williams, and Dwayne Haskins.
Does Jonah Williams, Devin Bush or anyone else fit in there? I'd think Allen will be gone by the Jets, unless they see Jonah Williams or Greg Little as comparable value and want to protect Darnold.
Thinking this might be the guy at 12. Can play RG initially and RT long term.
Cody Ford is a nasty/violent/heavy handed OL.
— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) January 27, 2019
Consistently jolts and rocks DL on contact. Breckyn Hager is a senior with 47 games at Texas and get tossed around like this?! Whoa. (And yea, you fall down - Ford is coming to get you! OL checks and balances 💰💰)#2019NFLDraft pic.twitter.com/Z4I34da1JM
I give no ****s what position #12 plays... just be a freaking stud.
Grave Digger posted:Thinking this might be the guy at 12. Can play RG initially and RT long term.
Cody Ford is a nasty/violent/heavy handed OL.
— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) January 27, 2019
Consistently jolts and rocks DL on contact. Breckyn Hager is a senior with 47 games at Texas and get tossed around like this?! Whoa. (And yea, you fall down - Ford is coming to get you! OL checks and balances 💰💰)#2019NFLDraft pic.twitter.com/Z4I34da1JM
Grave Digger I brought this up when there was speculation that Lincoln Riley could be the new coach. He rocks people and is a better athlete than poeple give him credit for. Would be great if he could play tackle in 20 after Bulaga is gone!!
pkr_north posted:adderley balled out at the senior bowl - he may not even be there at the end of 1st if he has a good combine/pro-day.
I didn't get to see the game yet but he must've finally put it all together. He was having a rough week of practice.
An interesting thing Gutekunst maybe did last year was spamming the wide receiver position when they didn't get a top guy. How would you feel if he spammed the pass rushers if he doesn't get a top one. Say they come out of the draft with Carl Granderson, Sutton Smith and Justin Hollins rather than a Polite, Sweat or Burns.
12th pick has to be the highest rated player.
30th pick should be Dalton Risner. Dalton is a filthy slob you draft at the end of round 1 that can plug RT to C and cover all of them well. Hes got pro bowl G written all over him. He’s not the answer at RT. But he’s EXACTLY the kind of nasty lineman MLF wants. Risner is probably still there at pick 12 in the 2nd. 30 seems right though.
Herschel posted:An interesting thing Gutekunst maybe did last year was spamming the wide receiver position when they didn't get a top guy. How would you feel if he spammed the pass rushers if he doesn't get a top one. Say they come out of the draft with Carl Granderson, Sutton Smith and Justin Hollins rather than a Polite, Sweat or Burns.
I don't think we need to invest Pick 12 in a pass rusher unless Ferrell or Polite are available (I would consider them to be the BPA's in that instance). I don't think Pettine NEEDS an elite pass rusher as evidenced by his defense in GB in 2018 and his defense in NY earlier this decade. There's no issue with manufacturing a pass rush, if an OLB group of 4 gets 32 sacks as a unit, does it really matter if 15 came from one guy or all 4 had 8 sacks each? I'd rather have a rotation of OLBs that can reliably set an edge in the run game and pressure the QB while investing more in areas like Safety, OL, and ILB vs. investing big in OLB and either missing out on a top player at other positions in the draft or not being able to afford one in FA.
starting to think ol may be the pick. march will be huge to see what we do in FA to supplement the draft or vice versa.
if the rams G doesn't get tagged, that would be a good get for us...
Regarding Josh Oliver, he will either be a great player or total bust. Watched him for 4 years at SJSU...consummate "looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane," kind of kid 2/3 of the time, and then he will bust out and show some skills. SJSU has had some awful coaches the last 3-4 years...so you don't know if he's suffering from poor coaching or he's not coachable.
Grave Digger posted:I don't think we need to invest Pick 12 in a pass rusher unless Ferrell or Polite are available (I would consider them to be the BPA's in that instance).
Polite is the guy that makes me nervous (after Rashan Gary, who mocks all over the place right now).
but I do like Brian Burns and Montez Sweat.
Maybe Devin White, but I'd like him more later in the draft.
I think there will be plenty of options for defense, but I would not hate an OL.
I really like the idea of pick 2 & 3 being a safety and a TE from Iowa.
Grave Digger posted:Herschel posted:An interesting thing Gutekunst maybe did last year was spamming the wide receiver position when they didn't get a top guy. How would you feel if he spammed the pass rushers if he doesn't get a top one. Say they come out of the draft with Carl Granderson, Sutton Smith and Justin Hollins rather than a Polite, Sweat or Burns.
I don't think we need to invest Pick 12 in a pass rusher unless Ferrell or Polite are available (I would consider them to be the BPA's in that instance). I don't think Pettine NEEDS an elite pass rusher as evidenced by his defense in GB in 2018 and his defense in NY earlier this decade. There's no issue with manufacturing a pass rush, if an OLB group of 4 gets 32 sacks as a unit, does it really matter if 15 came from one guy or all 4 had 8 sacks each? I'd rather have a rotation of OLBs that can reliably set an edge in the run game and pressure the QB while investing more in areas like Safety, OL, and ILB vs. investing big in OLB and either missing out on a top player at other positions in the draft or not being able to afford one in FA.
I'd argue you need to get an impact pass rusher if one is available. Having a rotation of decent guys is okay, but when there's a guy opposing offenses have to downright fear and scheme around those decent guys look a whole lot better.
I also think they want two pass rushers in this draft. It wouldn't surprise me if Fackrell blew his statistical wad last year as I don't think he was very consistent either.
El-Ka-Bong posted:Grave Digger posted:I don't think we need to invest Pick 12 in a pass rusher unless Ferrell or Polite are available (I would consider them to be the BPA's in that instance).
Polite is the guy that makes me nervous (after Rashan Gary, who mocks all over the place right now).
but I do like Brian Burns and Montez Sweat.
Maybe Devin White, but I'd like him more later in the draft.
I think there will be plenty of options for defense, but I would not hate an OL.
I really like the idea of pick 2 & 3 being a safety and a TE from Iowa.
so i saw sweat in the senior bowl, looked good, but only played part of the first q, was likely for injury prevention purposes. he's not just a pass rusher, he looks stout enough to play against the run also...so he could prob play a 3-4 or a 4-3
Herschel posted:Grave Digger posted:Herschel posted:An interesting thing Gutekunst maybe did last year was spamming the wide receiver position when they didn't get a top guy. How would you feel if he spammed the pass rushers if he doesn't get a top one. Say they come out of the draft with Carl Granderson, Sutton Smith and Justin Hollins rather than a Polite, Sweat or Burns.
I don't think we need to invest Pick 12 in a pass rusher unless Ferrell or Polite are available (I would consider them to be the BPA's in that instance). I don't think Pettine NEEDS an elite pass rusher as evidenced by his defense in GB in 2018 and his defense in NY earlier this decade. There's no issue with manufacturing a pass rush, if an OLB group of 4 gets 32 sacks as a unit, does it really matter if 15 came from one guy or all 4 had 8 sacks each? I'd rather have a rotation of OLBs that can reliably set an edge in the run game and pressure the QB while investing more in areas like Safety, OL, and ILB vs. investing big in OLB and either missing out on a top player at other positions in the draft or not being able to afford one in FA.
I'd argue you need to get an impact pass rusher if one is available. Having a rotation of decent guys is okay, but when there's a guy opposing offenses have to downright fear and scheme around those decent guys look a whole lot better.
I also think they want two pass rushers in this draft. It wouldn't surprise me if Fackrell blew his statistical wad last year as I don't think he was very consistent either.
One Mock had the Pack pick Brian Burns, Pass Rusher, FSU at 12 and N'Keal Harry, WR- ASU, at 30. Pass rusher and a decent WR in round 1. Pass Rushers Nick Bosa, Josh Allen, Rahsaan Gary and Clellin Ferrell all went before GBs pick at 12. So did Devin White, LB.
Montez Sweat, Cody Ford, and Nadir Adderly for 1st three pics one way or another.
Herschel posted:I'd argue you need to get an impact pass rusher if one is available. Having a rotation of decent guys is okay, but when there's a guy opposing offenses have to downright fear and scheme around those decent guys look a whole lot better.
I also think they want two pass rushers in this draft. It wouldn't surprise me if Fackrell blew his statistical wad last year as I don't think he was very consistent either.
I'm not saying have a rotation of "decent" guys, you need good players at every position, it's just not a requirement to have Khalil Mack. The Ryan/Pettine D in NY, at it's most effective, had Calvin Pace and Bryan Thomas starting at OLB. Neither struck fear into opposing offenses, they combined for 11.5 sacks. They were good players though who were strong against the run, contained the edges, and could pressure the QB even if they didn't always get home. They were disciplined veterans, they bought into the system, and they could do their jobs. The team had 40 sacks overall that year. Since 2010 only 2 SB winners have had a pass rusher with double digit sacks (DEN - Von Miller, NYG - Pierre- Paul). It's just as good to have a deep stable of good all around players to start with quality situational players.
The other part of it is this player you want, that strikes fear into opponents and their coaches, is incredibly hard to find. It's more realistic and cheaper to try and give yourself a deep bench of players. That doesn't mean pass on a blue chip pass rusher, but don't overdraft someone like Montez Sweat just because you think you need to take a pass rusher at 12. No position should be off the board at 12 (save for the obvious ones like K, P, FB, LS).
Is a TE worth a 1st round pick? I don't pretend to be a draft guru by any stretch but it just seems that TE's taken high in a draft almost never have rookie, immediate meaningful impact.
From Eric Ebron (taken 10th overall) who took 4 years and another team to become relevant to Hunter Henry (taken 35th) and on and on, it just seems to be a waste to take a TE this high. A JerMichael Finley type pick made sense in the 3rd round and he too took about 3 years to become a viable option.
Not saying GB doesn't need a TE. They clearly do. But I just am not sure I like one taken so high.
From USA Today's mock:
30. Packers — Noah Fant, TE, Iowa: Jimmy Graham's expected return shouldn't preclude Green Bay from investing at tight end. With a proven ability to stretch defenses down the seam and pile up yards after the catch, Fant can create the kind of mismatches Graham was expected to generate.
These mock drafts are all over the place with who they think teams will pick. I just saw one (I think was on nfl.com or usatoday) that had the Packers picking Evander Holyfields son. He is a decent back but not sure if he would be worth a high draft pick.
Most of the top TE in the game today were later RD picks. Just gotta find them.
It's hard to get the Dom-inant pass rusher archetype out of our heads because it's just what we're familiar with - Reggie, Kabeer, CM3. But the case GD made for Pettine's D not needing one is compelling. The latest trend seems to be focusing pressure up the middle and our DL is shaping up very well for that. You could even argue we could get more impact from a blue chip ILB than from an OLB.
Not a lot in RD1 but CJ Mosley will be out there if he's not tagged.
packerboi posted:Is a TE worth a 1st round pick? I
I'd love either of these kids with pick #3
packerboi posted:Is a TE worth a 1st round pick? I don't pretend to be a draft guru by any stretch but it just seems that TE's taken high in a draft almost never have rookie, immediate meaningful impact.
From Eric Ebron (taken 10th overall) who took 4 years and another team to become relevant to Hunter Henry (taken 35th) and on and on, it just seems to be a waste to take a TE this high. A JerMichael Finley type pick made sense in the 3rd round and he too took about 3 years to become a viable option.
Not saying GB doesn't need a TE. They clearly do. But I just am not sure I like one taken so high.
From USA Today's mock:
30. Packers — Noah Fant, TE, Iowa: Jimmy Graham's expected return shouldn't preclude Green Bay from investing at tight end. With a proven ability to stretch defenses down the seam and pile up yards after the catch, Fant can create the kind of mismatches Graham was expected to generate.
I agree with this and feel the same way about Safety.