Official 2020 Draft Thread

Grave Digger posted:

Henry posted:

There's a problem when Jones is running go routes and regularly lining up as a WR. 

Why? That's a huge advantage and wasn't done because we needed him at WR, but because he's a mismatch against LB and Safeties. We're going to see a lot of Jones lining up all over the place as long as he's in this offense whether we stack the WR position with UFA's and 1st round picks or not. Kid is a weapon, get the ball in his hands.  

Yes, they did need him.  Are you saying Allison, MVS and WWJ lack of production was because they didn't need Jones or that midget Jones and Ervin were better options?   Jones and Ervin were having some issues getting their heads around or just being able to lay out for those passes because they're midgets and haven't been used as WR.

I have no problem with Jones and co. seeing time in the receiving game but don't tell me Mayo didn't do it out of necessity as much as scheme. 

McShay has us taking KJ Hamler wr Penn State. 

At #30?

DH13 posted:

At #30?

Yes

They did need that production from Jones because WR2-4 weren't producing well, but I maintain they would have used Jones exactly the same if we were stacked at WR. That's his skillset and they built the offense around him and Adams. Targets didn't go up for Jones simply because of slumping depth at WR, that's a terrible reason to do that. 

Apparently McCarthy's offense is still stuck in Packer fans minds. The LaFluer offense schemes the RB and TE open as a core of the passing game. Heck even a FB will catch more balls / run more advanced routes(Vitale's injury was a bummer).  That was known when they hired him. 

R MaN posted:

DH13 posted:

At #30?

Yes

#clickbait

DH13 posted:

R MaN posted:

DH13 posted:

At #30?

Yes

#clickbait

Click bait?

Kiper, so maybe hairbait?  

Just don't think there is any chance they draft Hamler at #30.

Packdog posted:

Apparently McCarthy's offense is still stuck in Packer fans minds. The LaFluer offense schemes the RB and TE open as a core of the passing game. Heck even a FB will catch more balls / run more advanced routes(Vitale's injury was a bummer).  That was known when they hired him. 

So that precludes the need for a legit #2 WR? 

These arguments mean nothing.  They have 1 legit WR and 2 contributors.  The passing game fucking sucked.  That is fact.

Why exactly then did we need to see an evolution throughout the season of Jones into WR roles?  They beat KC because they used Williams and Jones in the passing game out of the backfield targeting their LBs only to have to shift Jones out to WR because that game plan was sniffed out.  Wouldn't it make more sense to have two legit WR to free up Jones?

This whole inference of "they don't need WR/WR on roster are just fine" is laughable.

I don’t think that’s anyone’s argument. My original point was simply that WR2 might not be that urgent of a need that we should pass up trench players. There’s no pass game period if Bulaga walks and there’s no future at RT. Alternatively we could beef up TE/Big Slot with guys like Sternberger and drafting a unique athlete like Claypool instead of snagging another WR. No one is disputing the passing game needs upgrades, but a Bulaga-less RT and a DL starting Lowry is worse than a WR group starting Lazard.

I don't see how a deep WR draft would make passing up trench players an option.  I would be fine if they picked up a WR in the 3rd if that's where the value is.  With that said, passing up a upper echelon skill player if available would be stupid.  It is a need.

Satori posted:

Adams, EQ, Lazard...and MVS are a solid start, Packers might only add 1 more WR this offseason via draft/FA given the snaps available and the focus of this offense on the TE's and RB's

I don't see anything but a solid #1 WR and a whole lot of question marks.

Lazard had a few moments, and is the most reliable of that bunch, but I don't see him being anything more than an adequate #3 or very nice #4. 

EQ is a complete guess at this point and coming off a major injury. He's nothing but a question mark going in to 2020-21.  I guess maybe he surprises and becomes a legit #2 WR in the NFL, but betting on that is lunacy.  

And I'm sorry, but if either MVS and GMO are tabbed as starting WRs next year because they made no moves in the Draft or FA, that's a massive failure by the GM.   This group has to be upgraded. You can't go into year 16 of AR with Adams and a bunch of UDFA or 5th rounders praying one of them steps up and is a huge surprise.  

Gutenwhacker knows what he needs. 

As a general rule, rookie WR don't make an immediate impact. OT have a much better track record of making an impact. My only expectation is they take a WR in the first 4 rounds...I believe they can get a good #2 just as easily in round 4 as they can round 1.

They need playmakers to catch TFB. If he wants to line up 4 RB out there who can catch passes, so be it. JUST GET SOME GUYS THAT CAN HELP!

And I am going to have faith he will get it done...between FA and draft, homeboy got 3 stars (Amos, Smiff Bros) and 2 future stars (Savage, Jenkins) and two guys with very high ceilings (Le 'Berger and Gary).

Henry posted:

Packdog posted:

Apparently McCarthy's offense is still stuck in Packer fans minds. The LaFluer offense schemes the RB and TE open as a core of the passing game. Heck even a FB will catch more balls / run more advanced routes(Vitale's injury was a bummer).  That was known when they hired him. 

So that precludes the need for a legit #2 WR? 

These arguments mean nothing.  They have 1 legit WR and 2 contributors.  The passing game fucking sucked.  That is fact.

Why exactly then did we need to see an evolution throughout the season of Jones into WR roles?  They beat KC because they used Williams and Jones in the passing game out of the backfield targeting their LBs only to have to shift Jones out to WR because that game plan was sniffed out.  Wouldn't it make more sense to have two legit WR to free up Jones?

This whole inference of "they don't need WR/WR on roster are just fine" is laughable.

Not saying that at all. Heck I think they need to add a legit #2 WR and more WR.

My only point was that Jones was used to run a wide array of routes because he is gifted ...and .....its part of Mayo's offensive philosophy. Way different than McCarthy.  Shannahan, LaFluffer, and Sean McVay all run very unique patterns with their TE, RB, and even FB. 

DH13 posted:

ilcuqui posted:

I’ll be astonished if Murray falls to us. Especially since Pittsburgh and Baltimore draft ahead of us... they always seem to pick off defensive players in the first round that would meet big needs for Green Bay. 

PIT just spent a RD1 last year on an ILB.  I doubt they'd do it again considering their needs elsewhere.  I'm not familiar with BAL's needs at ILB but they could spoil.  I have seen Murray going to the Raiders in many mocks.

Tennessee would also be a prime location for a linebacker.

Grave Digger posted:

I disagree. I think Jones would have seen the same amount of time split out and being targeted in the passing game if we still had Adams, Jordy, Cobb, and Jones at WR. It certainly made a difference in the passing game, but this wasn't a "Montgomery at RB because there's no one else" situation. Jones is a weapon and should be moved all over the field regardless of depth. 

It made a difference, until other teams put a corner on him because they didn't have to worry about the non-Adams garbage at receiver. 

R MaN posted:

DH13 posted:

At #30?

Yes

Johnny Z would have an orgasm. 

Herschel posted:

DH13 posted:

ilcuqui posted:

I’ll be astonished if Murray falls to us. Especially since Pittsburgh and Baltimore draft ahead of us... they always seem to pick off defensive players in the first round that would meet big needs for Green Bay. 

PIT just spent a RD1 last year on an ILB.  I doubt they'd do it again considering their needs elsewhere.  I'm not familiar with BAL's needs at ILB but they could spoil.  I have seen Murray going to the Raiders in many mocks.

Tennessee would also be a prime location for a linebacker.

The Raiders could also take Murray.

I see the Packers trading up to #24 to snipe the vikings on winfield.......

I like your candor, but I don't know why the team would do that for a safety, at this point.

Grave Digger posted:

I don’t think that’s anyone’s argument. My original point was simply that WR2 might not be that urgent of a need that we should pass up trench players. There’s no pass game period if Bulaga walks and there’s no future at RT. Alternatively we could beef up TE/Big Slot with guys like Sternberger and drafting a unique athlete like Claypool instead of snagging another WR. No one is disputing the passing game needs upgrades, but a Bulaga-less RT and a DL starting Lowry is worse than a WR group starting Lazard.

I'm not too sure about that (trench maybe more important than WR).  Although I think an argument can be made for ILB.

I favor 1)ILB, 2)WR, 3)OL.

Timpranillo,

I agree with your receiver assessment 150%.  Huge thumbs up.

Packmeister posted:

Herschel posted:

DH13 posted:

ilcuqui posted:

I’ll be astonished if Murray falls to us. Especially since Pittsburgh and Baltimore draft ahead of us... they always seem to pick off defensive players in the first round that would meet big needs for Green Bay. 

PIT just spent a RD1 last year on an ILB.  I doubt they'd do it again considering their needs elsewhere.  I'm not familiar with BAL's needs at ILB but they could spoil.  I have seen Murray going to the Raiders in many mocks.

Tennessee would also be a prime location for a linebacker.

The Raiders could also take Murray.

So could the Raiders.

Timpranillo posted:

Satori posted:

Adams, EQ, Lazard...and MVS are a solid start, Packers might only add 1 more WR this offseason via draft/FA given the snaps available and the focus of this offense on the TE's and RB's

I don't see anything but a solid #1 WR and a whole lot of question marks.

Lazard had a few moments, and is the most reliable of that bunch, but I don't see him being anything more than an adequate #3 or very nice #4. 

EQ is a complete guess at this point and coming off a major injury. He's nothing but a question mark going in to 2020-21.  I guess maybe he surprises and becomes a legit #2 WR in the NFL, but betting on that is lunacy.  

And I'm sorry, but if either MVS and GMO are tabbed as starting WRs next year because they made no moves in the Draft or FA, that's a massive failure by the GM.   This group has to be upgraded. You can't go into year 16 of AR with Adams and a bunch of UDFA or 5th rounders praying one of them steps up and is a huge surprise.  

Again though, if you go into the season with no long term solution at RT then there’s no opportunity for Rodgers to throw to any receivers. I don’t think you can’t stand pat on WR either, but push comes to shove I’m bulking up the trenches first and the  filling out skill players. 

Lazard flashed for a rookie, but he was just a rookie and everyone was in year 1 of the system. I think it’s realistic to think there’s a positive jump from all the skill players in understanding and execution of the scheme. 

Among the teams most interested in Florida International quarterback James Morgan after a strong NFL scouting combine: Chicago Bears, Green Bay Packers, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, New York Jets, Carolina Panthers and Indianapolis Colts

— Aaron Wilson (@AaronWilson_NFL) March 2, 2020

Decision Making - He's willing to stand in and stare down the barrel! Appreciate that toughness but his processor does need to speed up to get the ball out quicker at times, he'll take bad sacks or even worse force throws with miscommunications with receivers as routes get off script and convert to sandlot chaos.

He's non-elite Rodgers!

Grave Digger posted:

Again though, if you go into the season with no long term solution at RT then there’s no opportunity for Rodgers to throw to any receivers. I don’t think you can’t stand pat on WR either, but push comes to shove I’m bulking up the trenches first and the  filling out skill players. 

Lazard flashed for a rookie, but he was just a rookie and everyone was in year 1 of the system. I think it’s realistic to think there’s a positive jump from all the skill players in understanding and execution of the scheme. 

If the overall gist is a solid OT should take priority over a WR then yes, I agree. 

If the gist is the Packers WR corp is good enough, no it isn't.

Definitely WR are not good enough, but given how deep the draft is at WR, I believe they can find a quality #2 anywhere in the first 4 rounds. Also, they can improve the offense by adding a TE that can catch passes. Harder to come up with a work-around for OT unless you are leaving a TE or RB behind to help block (the Spriggs Method).

Grave Digger posted:

Again though, if you go into the season with no long term solution at RT then there’s no opportunity for Rodgers to throw to any receivers. I don’t think you can’t stand pat on WR either, but push comes to shove I’m bulking up the trenches first and the  filling out skill players. 

Lazard flashed for a rookie, but he was just a rookie and everyone was in year 1 of the system. I think it’s realistic to think there’s a positive jump from all the skill players in understanding and execution of the scheme. 

Look, I'd MUCH rather the Packers resign Bulaga, and draft his replacement in the later rounds.  They also need massive help at TE and LB. But at some point, you NEED to improve the skill at WR. Betting on late rounders like they have recently with MVS/EQ/Moore/Yancey/Davis/Abbrederis just ain't cutting it. 

Sign Bulaga, then a TE and LB in FA. Draft WR at #30 on one of the better bets to succeed in the NFL. Cool! (And before someone says it... You're right, no WR at #30 is a sure thing.  Just like like no RT or TE or LB you draft at #30 is a sure thing. We're talking about making the best possible choices given that nothing is assured...) 

Sign Bulaga, Robby Anderson, and Hooper and then draft a LB at #30. Sweet

Let Bulaga go, Sign Hooper, Littleton and, Funches. Draft a RT at #30. Giddyup!

There's lots of ways to address this. The hill I'm gonna die on here though is you cannot go into 2020 with your #2-3 WRs coming from a group consisting of Lazard, MVS, EQ, and another random late round WR.   

The good news is we no longer live in a world where the GM of the Packers thinks the only way to upgrade a team is on one weekend in April

I don't think they should sit on their hands with receiver, but if we leave Day 2 having not picked any receivers, but we've bulked up OL, DL, and TE (as the Athletic draft I posted lays out) then I won't be pissed about it. If Ruggs or Jeudy or Lamb falls to 30 then don't waste time, those guys are game changers, but if we're talking about project guys like Reagor or Mims at 30 or small school guys at 62, I would lean toward big uglies up front. 

Based on my maths it seems there will be too many players at positions of higher need, being pushed down by some of those WR's, for Gu to pass up at #30.  Add in the depth of the WR class and the potential of being able to get a RD1 quality WR in RD2 and you have the makings of nonWR RD1 and WR RD2.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/03...s-that-will-trade-up

Packers trading up??

If they think he's an immediate impact guy, go get him. 

As Sir Paul said.....let it be!

Boris posted:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/03...s-that-will-trade-up

Packers trading up??

Chicago is more likely to trade up and take a QB.

Don’t be surprised if Packers put more faith than you would expect in Lazard...

https://www.espn.com/fantasy/f...tter_impression=true

12. Speaking of the Packers, news came out that they wanted to add another pass-catcher and they will make a run at free-agent tight end Austin Hooper. But one name to remember at the end of your upcoming draft this year? Allen Lazard. LaFleur talked Lazard way up, and it was noted to me by a source I trust that Lazard spent Thanksgiving this past year with Aaron Rodgersand has spent a ton of time with him this offseason as well. Rodgers and Lazard are very close, apparently.

Grave Digger posted:

Timpranillo posted:

Satori posted:

Adams, EQ, Lazard...and MVS are a solid start, Packers might only add 1 more WR this offseason via draft/FA given the snaps available and the focus of this offense on the TE's and RB's

I don't see anything but a solid #1 WR and a whole lot of question marks.

Lazard had a few moments, and is the most reliable of that bunch, but I don't see him being anything more than an adequate #3 or very nice #4. 

EQ is a complete guess at this point and coming off a major injury. He's nothing but a question mark going in to 2020-21.  I guess maybe he surprises and becomes a legit #2 WR in the NFL, but betting on that is lunacy.  

And I'm sorry, but if either MVS and GMO are tabbed as starting WRs next year because they made no moves in the Draft or FA, that's a massive failure by the GM.   This group has to be upgraded. You can't go into year 16 of AR with Adams and a bunch of UDFA or 5th rounders praying one of them steps up and is a huge surprise.  

Again though, if you go into the season with no long term solution at RT then there’s no opportunity for Rodgers to throw to any receivers. I don’t think you can’t stand pat on WR either, but push comes to shove I’m bulking up the trenches first and the  filling out skill players. 

Lazard flashed for a rookie, but he was just a rookie and everyone was in year 1 of the system. I think it’s realistic to think there’s a positive jump from all the skill players in understanding and execution of the scheme. 

Agree.  Got to have the infrastructure first and foremost.   If Bulaga is not part of this roster the number #1 off season priority has to be his replacement. 

I'm also leaning toward DL being a bigger need than ILB.    Lancaster, Lowry, and Adams are not good enough.   

Fedya posted:

Boris posted:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/03...s-that-will-trade-up

Packers trading up??

Chicago is more likely to trade up and take a QB.

Trade up from the middle of the 2nd round? Better start using up more future 1st round picks! And maybe Mack.

R MaN posted:

McShay has us taking KJ Hamler wr Penn State. 

Living in Penn State country, I’ve seen him play a lot.  For a small receiver he makes some amazing catches.  He has speed to burn and great hands. Is an excellent punt returner also.  We could do a lot worse, though he doesn’t fit Guts ‘big boy’ profile.