Keep any additional wear & tear off your older veterans and more snaps for the other guys when it's hotter than the pits of hell? Sounds like a solid plan, tbh.
If he cares about his teammates and fans as much as he professes he'll be there. If not all his talk is just lies. End of story.
This offseason will become unbearable if he doesn't attend. The national media will not talk about anything other than this until training camp start if Rodgers stays away. Just because of that, I hope he shows.
gain 37 million if we trade rodgers.
This is what it would have been like had Giannis not signed the Supermax with the Bucks. Speculation non stop.
The FO and Rodgers need to get off their collective asses and figure something out. Either he’s back or he needs to be traded. This “wait and see” approach is complete BS and will distract the team and piss off all the fans.
@oshbaul posted:gain 37 million if we trade rodgers.
What do you gain 37 million of by trading Rodgers?
YA likes for “Rogers is traded” thread
While the status of #Packers QB Aaron Rodgers is in doubt for the team’s mandatory minicamp this week, it sounds like that’ll be the only issue to be resolved. His WRs who did not show for OTAs, including star Davante Adams, are either in town or expected in town.
— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) June 7, 2021
@CUPackFan posted:This offseason will become unbearable if he doesn't attend. The national media will not talk about anything other than this until training camp start if Rodgers stays away. Just because of that, I hope he shows.
And I won’t read anything they write. I already avoid sports radio and TV.
@Tschmack posted:This is what it would have been like had Giannis not signed the Supermax with the Bucks. Speculation non stop.
The FO and Rodgers need to get off their collective asses and figure something out. Either he’s back or he needs to be traded. This “wait and see” approach is complete BS and will distract the team and piss off all the fans.
If the Bucks lose in the playoffs, the national media will probably return to the topic of whether Giannis should request a trade since he can't win in Milwaukee.
The problem for the Packers is that they will be selling low if they trade Rodgers now. If everyone knows he's going to be dealt, then you auction him off next February when there is more cap flexibility for everyone.
They are better off letting him sit a year and then trading him. If they traded him now, the guys they draft with the picks won't play before September 2022 anyway.
@Timpranillo posted:What do you gain 37 million of by trading Rodgers?
Denver Broncos fans??
@Goalline posted:And I won’t read anything they write. I already avoid sports radio and TV.
I've been disappointed with media folks like Rich Eisen who just constantly whine about Aaron Rodgers treatment. I've also been really disappointed with some of the GB beat guys like Demovsky though...after calling Bakh a dick last year and now all of this factless speculating he's passing off as news he comes off as really unprofessional. Most of the beat writers really seem to rush to defend each other also, not that I would expect them to blast each other, but they're sticking together even in the face of proven bullshit.
What did Bakhtiari do to get Demovsky to call him a dick?
Be himself? Though I suspect Demovsky deserved it.
Demovsky works for ESPN, so he has sold his journalistic soul.
@Grave Digger posted:I've been disappointed with media folks like Rich Eisen who just constantly whine about Aaron Rodgers treatment. I've also been really disappointed with some of the GB beat guys like Demovsky though...after calling Bakh a dick last year and now all of this factless speculating he's passing off as news he comes off as really unprofessional. Most of the beat writers really seem to rush to defend each other also, not that I would expect them to blast each other, but they're sticking together even in the face of proven bullshit.
Rich Eisen has become unwatchable. I used to have so much respect for him.
@ammo posted:If he cares about his teammates and fans as much as he professes he'll be there. If not all his talk is just lies. End of story.
Agreed. And sadly, I don't think he'll be there.
I am hoping Rodgers doesn't go full scorched earth like another former Hall Of Fame QB in Green Bay did, but it's starting to trend in that direction.
Packers will never admit it, but they would be fine with Aaron skipping minicamp (and maybe some training camp). When Favre stayed in Mississippi those offseasons, we got to see Aaron run the team in the offseason, great evaluation period. The Packers now do the same with Love.
— Andrew Brandt (@AndrewBrandt) June 8, 2021
James didn’t say there wasn’t an issue with Murphy. So we’ve eliminated that it’s a problem with money, free agents or lack of free agents, draft, the coaches, and the GM (Gute is innocent!). So basically he hates Murphy and is mad at the way they ended the tenures of his friends namely Cobb, Jordy, Woodson, CM3, Peppers, and Kumerow. For the love of god sign Davante, Bakh, and Big Dog to lifetime deals.
"I've talked to Aaron. He told me it's not about the GM... He's willing to go in there and make this thing right."
— Herd w/Colin Cowherd (@TheHerd) June 8, 2021
— @89JonesNTAF pic.twitter.com/hpn6MhlsRe
Wouldn’t it be something if this is all just a ruse so Rodgers doesn’t have to show up for the offseason BS (he doesn’t need it) and the Packers can see what they have in Love with no distractions and extend Rodgers under the table and announce during the season?
@Grave Digger posted:So basically he hates Murphy and is mad at the way they ended the tenures of his friends namely Cobb, Jordy, Woodson, CM3, Peppers, and Kumerow.
Let's say this is true, like Favre before him, players shouldn't have a say in personnel. Obviously letting Kumarow (I can't believe we are still talking about him) and Cobb and Jordy go was the right thing at the right time. I am guessing that this endears him to his teammates more than it alienates him from them.
@Grave Digger posted:James didn’t say there wasn’t an issue with Murphy. So we’ve eliminated that it’s a problem with money, free agents or lack of free agents, draft, the coaches, and the GM (Gute is innocent!). So basically he hates Murphy and is mad at the way they ended the tenures of his friends namely Cobb, Jordy, Woodson, CM3, Peppers, and Kumerow. For the love of god sign Davante, Bakh, and Big Dog to lifetime deals.
"I've talked to Aaron. He told me it's not about the GM... He's willing to go in there and make this thing right."
— Herd w/Colin Cowherd (@TheHerd) June 8, 2021
— @89JonesNTAF pic.twitter.com/hpn6MhlsRe
The interview is confusing. So it's not about the GM, it's about the players that were let go "too early" in AR's mind. But who let them go? Gute is the one who cut them, not Murphy.
I also don't understand why this is a problem this offseason? We signed Bakh, we signed Jones, we kept Big Dog, we got almost the entire team back for another run. If it's about keeping guys he's built a rapport with, the Packers have done that and more this past year, even before all this shenanigans started.
The only thing that makes sense to me is that he now sees himself, with Love on the team, in the same situation that Cobb, Woodson, Jordy et al where. IE, players with something still left in the tank that are considered expendable by the Packers because they're towards the end of their careers and he doesn't want to end up like them. Which is fine, but I'm not sure how you can feel that way and also have it not be about the GM.
Based on Jordy’s comments about his release it seems like it was about how he was released and not the fact that he was released. Am I wrong, didn’t there seem like some hard feelings from Woodson and CM3 about their release? The gist from Jordy’s comments were, IMO, that they treated him coldly like he wasn’t special to the organization at all. Which they’re right, it does seem like the organization treated all those guys in a kind of “See ya, thanks for everything…” kind of way. Same with Bulaga and Linsley. I don’t know what the expectation is or what could have made those departures more special, I guess maybe if they had planned them out ahead of time a little better?
I saw an anonymous sourced tweet that said something like “the worst kept secret in the NFL is that Murphy is the one calling the shots in GB…” That would seem to align with why 1) we hear from Murphy all the time and 2) why he opted for kind of a less experienced or junior internal candidate like Gute for GM over seasoned vet GMs who were available like McKenzie, Dorsey, maybe even Schneider and 3) why he hired the HC and not the GM. So I’m guessing Rodgers knows Gute is just the one pulling the trigger on these moves, not the one making the decision.
Interesting.
Like Henry, I believe Murphy is the LEAST COMPETENT of the Silos.
I often try to see the others persons viewpoint when I disagree with something they say or do. So, this take on the Rodgers situation is interesting. Yet I wonder if Jones really knows the mind of Rodgers. In any case, if true, it’s about past slights that he saw to releasing good Packer players before their time. Loyalty may be what he is referring to. And he may be right about that and Jones himself is an example. Some players fit what Rodgers wants even if they are not the best or are declining in skill. Matt’s offense can succeed even without a MVP QB.
@Grave Digger posted:I saw an anonymous sourced tweet that said something like “the worst kept secret in the NFL is that Murphy is the one calling the shots in GB…” That would seem to align with why 1) we hear from Murphy all the time and 2) why he opted for kind of a less experienced or junior internal candidate like Gute for GM over seasoned vet GMs who were available like McKenzie, Dorsey, maybe even Schneider and 3) why he hired the HC and not the GM. So I’m guessing Rodgers knows Gute is just the one pulling the trigger on these moves, not the one making the decision.
I'd never heard that take before.
FLPacker posted the comment from Mike Lombardi about What Me Murphy calling the shots.
I agree with that line - the heartbeat members of the team should NOT be treated like that, i get that - linsley, bulaga, cm3, cwood, 87, anybody that was a 'leader' on this team at some point, should get more than, 'take care - later; we're going another way.'
Not saying they aren't released, but maybe put a friggen article out about how the player is getting released - like a press release and saying how much they mattered to gb, maybe tell their packer story, and their work is appreciated, couldn't have done it without you; packer people, etc...some nice things, it's not hard esp if you have media people in the mix...i agree with that angle for sure, and if they are so friggen cold - that needs to change; bc that is NOT packer people behavior.
But why take a stand now? Why didn't he take a stand about this years ago when it was happening all around him, and not this year when it isn't? Rodgers had way more leverage before he signed his last contract, before Love was on the team and the Packers had no backup plan and when all of his close friends were getting let go. Why did he wait?
And I wouldn't put Linsley in that list because he's not at the end of his career, they just couldn't afford him. That's different than the others.
I scratched my head when the team picked up Campbell. According to many who evaluate players he is a declining player and a liability in pass coverage. It makes me wonder if Barry is planning on changing the defense by moving up a linebacker closer to the line or some such thing in his new offense. In any case he brings some veteran experience to the room.
@Henry posted:FLPacker posted the comment from Mike Lombardi about What Me Murphy calling the shots.
Sorry yes that’s what I was thinking of.
I was talking about the rest of your synopsis as well.
Murphy breaks away from the structure Harlan setup and WMM creates his own little fiefdom with no owner to tell him to knock it off. May work in Pittsburgh but then the Rooney's know WTF they're doing and they own the damn team.
Doesn't really matter what Rodgers does or doesn't want at this point.
Get the picks.
@vitaflo posted:But why take a stand now? Why didn't he take a stand about this years ago when it was happening all around him, and not this year when it isn't? Rodgers had way more leverage before he signed his last contract, before Love was on the team and the Packers had no backup plan and when all of his close friends were getting let go. Why did he wait?
And I wouldn't put Linsley in that list because he's not at the end of his career, they just couldn't afford him. That's different than the others.
Death by a thousand paper cuts was the phrase.
Don't blame a guy for being what by all definition would be a "team" guy by not questioning shit (or at least backing off) for years on end and then make it all about him when he tells you to fuck off.
@PackerPatrick posted:I scratched my head when the team picked up Campbell. According to many who evaluate players he is a declining player and a liability in pass coverage. It makes me wonder if Barry is planning on changing the defense by moving up a linebacker closer to the line or some such thing in his new offense. In any case he brings some veteran experience to the room.
Yeah, his numbers are okay but Atlanta let him go and then the Cards only signed him to a one year contract. The pass coverage thing obviously sticks out but maybe they're thinking more of a thumper even though he isn't that big.
I don't know. I'll take it considering.
@Henry posted:I was talking about the rest of your synopsis as well.
Murphy breaks away from the structure Harlan setup and WMM creates his own little fiefdom with no owner to tell him to knock it off. May work in Pittsburgh but then the Rooney's know WTF they're doing and they own the damn team.
Doesn't really matter what Rodgers does or doesn't want at this point.
Get the picks.
Unless the “rift” isn’t quite as dramatic as the ESPN gossiptainment crew has made it out to be? If it’s solvable, which everyone that actually talks with Aaron Rodgers says it is, then why get the picks when you can have the MVP?
So if it is about how players are treated near the end of their career I guess we will see Matty Ice holding out in Atlanta any day now.
IF it's all about 12 wanting a say in personnel, not sure how this thing is fixable. Even if Gunt says "OK, I'll communicate with you more about things of this nature going forward," why should 12 believe him?
Sounds like Gunt and WMM don't want ANY player thinking they can have input in personnel decisions and are making this all about money..."well if we just pay him enough, we can shut him up. Ain't now PLAYER gonna tell US what to do! Just shut up and play! Don't be the problem!"
Making more sense now...
Also, the Packers "board," is impotent.
@Grave Digger posted:Unless the “rift” isn’t quite as dramatic as the ESPN gossiptainment crew has made it out to be? If it’s solvable, which everyone that actually talks with Aaron Rodgers says it is, then why get the picks when you can have the MVP?
I guess I'm not as optimistic as you are.