Official General 2021 Offseason Thread

@PackerPatrick posted:

I scratched my head when the team picked up Campbell. According to many who evaluate players he is a declining player and a liability in pass coverage. It makes me wonder if Barry is planning on changing the defense by moving up a linebacker closer to the line or some such thing in his new offense. In any case he brings some veteran experience to the room.

A liability in pass coverage is in the job description for Packers ILBs. I’m to the point they just don’t care about getting gashed in the middle repeatedly.

Aging vets get cut all the time. They sign contracts that make them too expensive to keep. I was as big a Jordy fan as anyone. He was done.Cobb was hurt all the time. All these guys had articles written about them that they were getting too expensive. It was no surprise that they were released. How many other teams let players go but give going away banquets for them? Packers were big meanies cutting or not re-signing these guys? GTFO!

Yeah again it seems like his issue is he doesn’t like the cold hearted business of the NFL, which is not a GBP issue and it’s one he will find at every team. I’m sure it stems from “Brady got to bring Gronk and AB, but I can’t keep Jordy and Cobb?” If Rodgers could get those guys to take team friendly deals then they would have stayed in GB, but they didn’t and players should never do that.

Nelson insinuated that he would have done just that but the Packers were not interested.

@Chongo posted:

IF it's all about 12 wanting a say in personnel, not sure how this thing is fixable. Even if Gunt says "OK, I'll communicate with you more about things of this nature going forward," why should 12 believe him?

Sounds like Gunt and WMM don't want ANY player thinking they can have input in personnel decisions and are making this all about money..."well if we just pay him enough, we can shut him up. Ain't now PLAYER gonna tell US what to do! Just shut up and play! Don't be the problem!"

Making more sense now...

Also, the Packers "board," is impotent.

Sounds like poor communication coming from many sides.

Regardless of what else may/may not be happening, I have no doubt the Packers team, coaches, and management are a world-class organization.
I'm just as sure that player acquisitions, trades, or releases are dealt with in a professional manner. It may not be pleasant at times, and the business side of football can be cruel, but it is handled in a way that's not patronizing.

@Henry posted:

Death by a thousand paper cuts was the phrase.

Don't blame a guy for being what by all definition would be a "team" guy by not questioning shit (or at least backing off) for years on end and then make it all about him when he tells you to fuck off.

It's a chicken/egg thing the way you state it. Would AR field any blame from you for the 999 times prior? This is the problem with Rodgers personality type. If he shut his mouth, played the role of "team" guy, but in his head kept a private account of perceived slights, was it really the proper way to go about things?

This is a major reason that Rodgers prides himself on being one step ahead, the smartest in the room, etc. If you cross him, he may let it slide but will never forget and come back for "revenge" or whatever we might call it at a later date. He will hold that grudge tightly to his vest. And it has served him very well during his career, and it's actually a valuable trait at the highest level of competition. See Jordan, Michael.

So again, if the clowns in the FO did him wrong 1000 times-operative word being clowns-should AR not have spoken up clearer or louder before we reached 1000? If they're tone deaf buffoons who think they can throw $$$ at any situation, would that not be cause for MORE communication rather than sitting back and plotting something nuclear? I can empathize with Rodgers playing the good soldier, but after watching them bungle the beginning of your own career, botch the MM situation, mishandle Ted, is it not just outright stupidity to expect anything else from the jokers who are so obviously dumb? Was this really the only way to deal with it?

@Packiderm posted:

Aging vets get cut all the time. They sign contracts that make them too expensive to keep. I was as big a Jordy fan as anyone. He was done.Cobb was hurt all the time. All these guys had articles written about them that they were getting too expensive. It was no surprise that they were released. How many other teams let players go but give going away banquets for them? Packers were big meanies cutting or not re-signing these guys? GTFO!

At the "same time" they not only drafted Love, but his workout buddies Dillon and Kamal Martin. That's some pretty shitty optics when you're dumping your HoF QB's guys and bringing in the new guy's.

@artis posted:

It's a chicken/egg thing the way you state it. Would AR field any blame from you for the 999 times prior? This is the problem with Rodgers personality type. If he shut his mouth, played the role of "team" guy, but in his head kept a private account of perceived slights, was it really the proper way to go about things?

This is a major reason that Rodgers prides himself on being one step ahead, the smartest in the room, etc. If you cross him, he may let it slide but will never forget and come back for "revenge" or whatever we might call it at a later date. He will hold that grudge tightly to his vest. And it has served him very well during his career, and it's actually a valuable trait at the highest level of competition. See Jordan, Michael.

So again, if the clowns in the FO did him wrong 1000 times-operative word being clowns-should AR not have spoken up clearer or louder before we reached 1000? If they're tone deaf buffoons who think they can throw $$$ at any situation, would that not be cause for MORE communication rather than sitting back and plotting something nuclear? I can empathize with Rodgers playing the good soldier, but after watching them bungle the beginning of your own career, botch the MM situation, mishandle Ted, is it not just outright stupidity to expect anything else from the jokers who are so obviously dumb? Was this really the only way to deal with it?

You know I'd respond to you in full throated bitch slap mode especially when you call me out specifically but weak kneed posters get the vapors when I do that.

The FO fucked up like the Hindenburg pilots, plain and simple.  Accept it.

@Henry posted:

You know I'd respond to you in full throated bitch slap mode especially when you call me out specifically but weak kneed posters get the vapors when I do that.

The FO fucked up like the Hindenburg pilots, plain and simple.  Accept it.

Yeah, my bad. I only realized after I posted that this is mulling over the same terrain.

Let's not forget that AR was one of the few players who spoke out against the latest CBA ....his reason?

"Per ESPN's Adam Schefter, Rodgers was "one of the biggest objectors" to the proposal during Tuesday's meeting between the NFL and NFL Players Association. Schefter noted Rodgers is hoping for "even more dramatic changes to the offseason program that included more free time for the players."

So could this also play into his not being here this week? What made me think of this was James Jones' comments .... said something along the lines of "it used to be that these mini camps weren't required attendance"

You can be a “world class organization” and still make bad decisions at the top.  It happens all the time.  Hewlett-Packard pushed all the right buttons and they decided to get cute and hire Carly Fiorina who promptly ran that organIzation into the ground but not before laying off tens of thousands of employees and walking away with tens of millions in a separation package.

Murphy is the problem.  Gute is doing his job, IMO.  Who the fuck knows what Russ Ball is up to except pissing everyone off.

In other words, they do need to reshape their power structure but Rodgers doesn’t deserve a free pass in this whole mess either.  Man up and state your intentions.  Enough with the passive aggressive beautiful mystery bullshit.  People can and will forgive and forget, but there isn’t a whole lot of patience for your antics either 12. For someone that carries on and lectures about “team” and “doing things the right way” and “culture” your behaviors sure don’t back it up - real or perceived.

World class organizations fix the problem/mistakes.

Yes they do but their star player needs to act like a real leader instead of talking like one.  His act is getting really old.

@Tschmack posted:

Wouldn’t it be something if this is all just a ruse so Rodgers doesn’t have to show up for the offseason BS (he doesn’t need it) and the Packers can see what they have in Love with no distractions and extend Rodgers under the table and announce during the season?  

Rodgers wouldn't have to play these mind games, if he did not want to show up for OTAs and Mini Camps. All he'd have to do is notify MLF that he won't be attending those. I think we will see Rodgers sometime near the beginning of training camp. If he doesn't show there, and starts missing pre season games, the financial hit to him would be in the 6 figure range, for each missed game. That is too huge a hit to take on, IMO.  All this media driven crap, is just that--crap! None of them know what Rodgers is doing, and the same goes for us GB fans. Let it ride out and let Love lead the team in the practices. From what I've heard, Love looked pretty good the other day. Give him the snaps and let him get more comfortable with the ones. It's about all we can do, at this point.

Another guy GB got rid of, that ARod liked, was Geronimo Allison. Along with Kumerow, who ARod also liked, and Jordy and Cobb, I think ARod saw his WRs being booted. Hard to rebuild a connection with your WRs if they are no longer a part of the team.

@FLPACKER posted:

Let's not forget that AR was one of the few players who spoke out against the latest CBA ....his reason?

"Per ESPN's Adam Schefter, Rodgers was "one of the biggest objectors" to the proposal during Tuesday's meeting between the NFL and NFL Players Association. Schefter noted Rodgers is hoping for "even more dramatic changes to the offseason program that included more free time for the players."

So could this also play into his not being here this week? What made me think of this was James Jones' comments .... said something along the lines of "it used to be that these mini camps weren't required attendance"

It’s not crazy to think Rodgers would have skipped almost everything except training camp regardless of his situation. He had none of these camps and practices last year and won MVP, does he really need them this year? That doesn’t make for juicy ESPN gossiptainment to get the drama lovers all hot and bothered though.

David Dunn is going to continue to stoke the drama to his ESPN lapdog Schefter to drive GB’s urgency at getting a new deal done while Rodgers continues to personally lay groundwork with his media buddies that this was all a big misunderstanding and got blown out of proportion. Won’t be surprised if there’s a grand reconciliation in mid-July before TC where they announced a new contract with lots of money and guarantees, a big love fest between Rodgers and his teammates/Love/coaches/fans/whoever, and then things proceed normally.

@Tschmack posted:

Yes they do but their star player needs to act like a real leader instead of talking like one.  His act is getting really old.

Shouldn't have been an issue in the first place.

Right now the Packers are as "world class" as the Texans.

I know the AR wants a new contract thread is closed, but I have a question that I'm hoping someone can answer.  What are the financial ramifications for the Packers if they trade him next year.  

Packers are nowhere near as dysfunctional as the Texans.  They are in a class by themselves.  

@DocBenni posted:

I know the AR wants a new contract thread is closed, but I have a question that I'm hoping someone can answer.  What are the financial ramifications for the Packers if they trade him next year.  

$21M or so in dead cap money in 2021, substantially less in 2022.

@Tschmack posted:

Packers are nowhere near as dysfunctional as the Texans.  They are in a class by themselves.  

Sorry but even with the recent fiasco you CANNOT lump the Packers in to the category of a team like the Texans.  The Packers may have a problems with head case QBs but that doesn't put them in that category.

@mrtundra posted:

Another guy GB got rid of, that ARod liked, was Geronimo Allison. Along with Kumerow, who ARod also liked, and Jordy and Cobb, I think ARod saw his WRs being booted. Hard to rebuild a connection with your WRs if they are no longer a part of the team.

“New” receivers didn’t seem to bother him last year.  2nd best year of his career after 2011.  

Maybe coaching and scheming receivers open should get some credit for Rodgers great year!

Matt’s offense has been moving towards scheming guys open for some time now. So the “trust” thing from the QB seems to be less and less important in this teams plans. Also, the additions of H-backs and TE’s and the ascent of the run game means that this offense can succeed without a premier QB. Of course #12 makes it even better but the plan has been one of moving away from the one from MM.

Trade whiney Dumdum. Give the Keys to J-Lo

@PackerPatrick posted:

Matt’s offense has been moving towards scheming guys open for some time now. So the “trust” thing from the QB seems to be less and less important in this teams plans. Also, the additions of H-backs and TE’s and the ascent of the run game means that this offense can succeed without a premier QB. Of course #12 makes it even better but the plan has been one of moving away from the one from MM.

Again with the auto-QB offense.  Shanahan offense hasn't won dick yet and it needs a monster defense to go with it.

@PA green & gold posted:

“New” receivers didn’t seem to bother him last year.  2nd best year of his career after 2011.  

Maybe coaching and scheming receivers open should get some credit for Rodgers great year!

🤔

@PackerPatrick posted:

Matt’s offense has been moving towards scheming guys open for some time now. So the “trust” thing from the QB seems to be less and less important in this teams plans. Also, the additions of H-backs and TE’s and the ascent of the run game means that this offense can succeed without a premier QB. Of course #12 makes it even better but the plan has been one of moving away from the one from MM.

I don’t think you can ever really take QB excellence out of the winning equation, but some of the ridiculous shit Rodgers has pulled off in the past sure wouldn’t be necessary. Kinda like the shit we’ve been saying about Brady for 20 years…

I'd hand my fob to j-Lo in a heartbeat.

Rodgers was completely healthy this year as were most of his teammates.  No crowd noise to deal with either.  With exception of NFCCG I thought MLF made all the right calls.

So what does that mean for 2021?  I don’t know.  But the stars were aligned for Rodgers in 2020 and I truly think it’s unrealistic to think he will play at that same level.   Rodgers at 80% is still very good, but there’s no guarantees IMO going forward.  

Is our wish as fans that he talk to the media more?

Does Greta still have a show?

Still nothing to report, eh?

@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:

Does Greta still have a show?

Greta Thunberg has a show?

The Packers just signed a tryout QB today.  QB Jake Dolegala, a 6-7, 242 lb. guy from Central Connecticut State is the 5th QB on the roster including AR.  They might be preparing for something or they are just looking at QBs.  They have also worked out two other QBs they did not sign.  Time will tell. 

Gutekunst:   I'M SIGNING ALL THE QUARTERBACKS.

If he were signing "ALL" the QBs, he would have signed the two he did not.  Imagine a roster of 90 QBs.  But there is something big happening in GB, who in our division has a 6-7 QB? 

@H5 posted:

Still nothing to report, eh?

Not showing up to mandatory assignments....  but meh, who cares.

@Ghost of Lambeau posted:

The Packers just signed a tryout QB today.  QB Jake Dolegala, a 6-7, 242 lb. guy from Central Connecticut State is the 5th QB on the roster including AR.  They might be preparing for something or they are just looking at QBs.  They have also worked out two other QBs they did not sign.  Time will tell.

I'm picturing a two QB offensive set with Dolegala lining up as an H-back.

That would be great except for one thing - Dolegala is a skinny guy - from the picture I saw.  He hides 20 lbs. of that 242 well.  Another 30 lbs. would start to put some meat on those bones.  We need some huskier QBs to implement your scheme.  But the terminology is something MLF would understand. 

@BrainDed posted:

Not showing up to mandatory assignments....  but meh, who cares.

Didn’t Favre skip them every year?