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@Floridarob posted:

The lady that doesn't know what a W O M A N is? I dont care what color she is but come on.  Should have asked her if Wiliam err Lia Thomas was a W O M A N.

Rob, there’s a subtlety between satire and actual grievances you appear to be missing. Mods, feel free to delete my original post If it’s going to take us in a bad direction.

@PackLandVA posted:

Well, you could talk about the hot waitress or anything else you wanted at a sports bar.  But you probably wouldn't interrupt a few people talking about a particular sports subject, say, like the Davante Adams trade, with "Hey, what type of filter is best for my furnace?"

I would probably go with a MERV 13 but it depends on how much dust is in your house and if you have allergies.  You're welcome.

Behind a paywall: From Tom S. Milwaukee JSO.. 



Many are under the impression that Adams asked to be traded when the Packers put the franchise tag on him, but it happened much earlier than that. Shortly after the season ended, he made it known that he wanted out and his desire was to play for the Las Vegas Raiders and quarterback Derek Carr, his former college teammate and close friend, a source said.

The public didn’t know Adams was adamant about leaving for the team he cheered for while growing up in East Palo Alto, California. But it was no secret among Packers officials that Adams wanted out.

The Packers must accept their role in Adams getting to that place. They had an entire year to sign him to a long-term extension befitting of the best receiver in football. But they stood firm against breaking their policy of guaranteeing anything but the signing bonus, so the amount of guaranteed money was never going to be to Adams’ satisfaction.

Adams didn’t want to drag negotiations into the regular season and so Packers vice president of finance Russ Ball and agent Frank Bauer engaged in very little negotiating from September to February.

According to a source, the deal the Packers were offering before everything broke down was worth about the same amount over three years as Adams accepted from the Raiders ($22.5 million average). But the Raiders' deal featured $22.75 million of fully guaranteed money and another $44 million that was partially guaranteed and would have a chance of being fully guaranteed.

It’s doubtful the Packers offered those kinds of guarantees.

Once talks hit a wall, Adams decided to play out the year and take on all the risk. The payoff, he hoped, was going to be a massive contract after the season either with the Packers or somebody else.

Adams put together the best all-around season of his career (given all the double-teams he faced) and was named first-team All-Pro for the second consecutive year. He ranks second in franchise history in receptions (669) and receiving touchdowns (73) and is fourth in receiving yards (8,121). After the season, many people made the mistake of thinking Rodgers and Adams were a package deal and that if one came back the other would, too. If one left, they would both leave. They have a special chemistry on the field and were the best quarterback-receiver combination in the NFL the past two seasons.

But the truth is, they were not linked.

Rodgers and Adams are tight on the field, but Adams is not part of Rodgers’ inner circle. Receiver Randall Cobb and tackle David Bakhtiari are, but Adams doesn’t run with that crowd.

He is very much a family man and doesn’t golf with celebrities or hang out in clubs or push his brand. The non-football-related photos on his Instagram account are mostly of his wife and daughter with some shots of his latest footwear mixed in. There are more photos of him and Carr than there are of him and Rodgers.

There’s no question Rodgers has helped his career, but it’s possible Adams got tired of being defined by it. Adams was given plenty of respect and credit for what he did on the field, but it was always overshadowed by Rodgers, whose superb play and celebrity dominates everything.

Rodgers heaped praise on Adams all year, so it’s not like he tried to devalue his teammate’s contribution to their success. But as much as he claims he doesn’t like the spotlight, he tends to embrace it, and sucks a lot of the oxygen out of whatever room he is in.

It all became about him again after the season ended. Was he coming back? And if he did, was it going to be for more than one year? Adams didn’t know what Rodgers was going to do and couldn’t know for sure how long he would play, so there was a lot of uncertainty with rejoining the Packers.

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The Packers had a better offer on the table than from the summer – one source said it was $25 million per year over three years – but Adams, after speaking with Carr and Bauer, was adamant he wanted to move on. Specifically, he wanted to play for the Raiders.

As many have reported, Rodgers knew about Adams’ desire well before he signed his record-breaking $151 million extension. There wasn’t anything he could do about it. Undoubtedly, he wanted Adams to stay, but his priority was his own contract and he wound up doing what was best for him.

Adams wanted to do the same. Gutekunst couldn’t have promised not to place the franchise tag on Adams; it would have been derelict of duty. But Adams was upset when it happened, most likely because it lessened his chances of playing with Carr.

The Raiders would have to give up two first-round picks to sign Adams as a non-exclusive franchise player and they didn’t want to give up that much.

Eventually, Gutekunst decided it was in the team’s best interests to trade Adams. They didn’t want his deal hanging over them the entire offseason and his $20 million cap number making life very difficult.

As Peter King pointed out in his weekly column, "Football Morning in America," Raiders general manager Dave Ziegler called Gutekunst on March 13 and the two talked repeatedly in an effort to reach a deal on compensation. If the Raiders would have signed Adams to an offer sheet, they would have had to give the Packers a first-round pick this year and a first-round pick next year as compensation.

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@PackLandVA posted:

And say what you will about YA, but at least he brings the thread back to the Packers.  Maybe there should be a separate thread for ice fishing, snow drifts, and brown cows or whatever that shit you drink is called.

What do you say about YA? 😁  I enjoy his posts too.  Sometimes threads diverge when they’ve mostly been burned out.  Personally, I love the distractions sometimes and learning a little more about you guys.  That’s what attracted me to this board to begin with, for better or for worse.

@PackLandVA posted:

Well, you could talk about the hot waitress or anything else you wanted at a sports bar.  But you probably wouldn't interrupt a few people talking about a particular sports subject, say, like the Davante Adams trade, with "Hey, what type of filter is best for my furnace?"

Depends on the furnace and what your budget is.  Generally, is recommend the cheapest filter you can get.  See?  There’s more value here than just Packers info.

@Floridarob posted:

What's wrong with her voice? Now Kamalas voice thats different.

Kiel, no grievances. After the last couple of Supreme Court debacles, this has been rather pleasant.  

Not only Kamala’s voice.  What creeps me out is her perma-grin, like she’s from Russia and has been told by Putin to smile and clap at everything liberal that comes out of anyone’s mouth or be killed.

@michiganjoe posted:

Good reporting from Silverstein, as usual. For all the (unjustified) bashing of the FO it really does appear the bottom line was that Adams wanted to move on and play with his friend and college teammate on the team he grew up rooting for.

Yep, and just maybe, he was also tired of the Rodgers drama.

Despite the town crier on this site who's convinced the FO are bumbling idiots, just maybe Gute and Ball also know what the fu** they're doing as well. 

there is no doubt in my mind, they know wtf they are doing.  from king's article, which is also very good:

It became clear by Wednesday afternoon that Gutekunst was firm. The deal for Adams wasn’t getting done unless the Raiders traded both the first- and second-rounder in this year’s draft. That would give the Packers enough ammo to replenish the receiver group minus Adams in this year’s draftβ€”four picks in the top 60 of a draft chock-full of wideouts.

shocker, we will be picking at least 1 wr as a premium pick, since javon walker/jordy...jennings...

@Gsands posted:

I would probably go with a MERV 13 but it depends on how much dust is in your house and if you have allergies.  You're welcome.

Whilst a Merv 13 will get out the most dirt, You don't want the most restrictive air filter for you home Furnace or AC. Quickest way to freeze a coil or crack a heat exchanger because of restricted air flow. Go with the cheapest pleated filter you can find and change it often! 

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