@Johnson posted:Adams is a great receiver. I've never seen anybody get open like that guy.
Yea, he’s a bad dude but that’s a bold statement.
Never?
I sure wish we had some tape of Don Hutson.
@Koopla Krash posted:I guess he didn't pay over $1M in sales taxes on his new mansion. My bad.
What's funny is you seem offended by the notion that Las Vegas is a more attractive place to live than Green Bay, WI.
Seriously, gain some perspective. Outside of WI, this is just an accepted truth not worthy of debate.
GB vs Vegas….to me a toss up. Not fond of LV at all but could not live in GB either. If I had to choose it would be GB by a nose.
But obviously LV is much more desirable to most folks, there’s no denying that.
Sir BrainDed - I'm a bean-counter by trade and understand different types of taxes. Quite frankly, I was just pointing out a glaring analytical miss on the whole reduced taxes with no state income tax dialogue. BTW, game checks for all games likely would fall under the Nevada nexus (taxing authority)...might be different in the NFL, but employees that work in my company that live in other states have consistent taxing nexus - doesn't change paycheck to paycheck from state to state - it's either their place of residence or the company's place of residence (employees fill out W-4 forms).
Also, quite laughable that you sit on some throne and tell me to gain perspective. If it's ok with you, I'd like to choose where I live and I love the state of Wisconsin and the four seasons and the vibrant colors that come with it.
1 - Players pay taxes where the game is played. So he will have 8 games with 0 state income tax. he has another in JAX in 2022 so that makes 9 games. Any bonuses and local ad money will not have state income tax. It's a significant amount of money saved.
2 - Why would you ignore property tax but talk about sales tax? Dude just purchased a 12 million dollar home. That's significant. If he buys a couple luxury cars in NV the money saved on income tax more than offsets that.
2 - We are not talking about you or my preference. We are talking about where young wealthy people would prefer to live. Tons of pro athletes and celebs make Vegas their home, many whom do not play or work there. So yes, you need perspective, aka, the ability to see this from his point of view, not yours.
Enlighten me on the property tax differences between the two states. No sales tax on those luxury cars or any other purchases made with all that state income tax savings?
I did not bring state residency preference into this conversation other than tax analytics. You are trying to factor in other variables and I stated my preference, but was not central to my earlier dialogue.
Roughly speaking, it's about double depending on the County in WI. Plus, Clark County has a cap on property tax. The amount taxed on a property cannot rise more than 3% in a year no matter how much the assessed value rises.
So even if he did pay 12 million for that home, he won't be paying property tax on 12 million as it was probably assessed at 8 million just a couple years ago.
That was put in place during the boom years prior to the 2008 collapse as long time residents were getting fucked.
I've never been to Wisc or Nevada. but I'll take Green Bay over Las Vegas any day. Taxes or no Taxes.
Wisconsin is nice about 8 months out of the year. If you're an outdoorsman, in particular into ice fishing, you probably love it up here 12 months out of the year. I don't hunt or fish so I dig Wisconsin from April-ish to October-ish. Arizona and Nevada are on my list of places to live when I retire.
I certainly can't blame a young athlete, especially one not from the midwest, for desiring to live elsewhere. Makes perfect sense to me... taxes be damned.
What even is this argument? I'm pretty sure Davante didn't bring in his accountant in to make the call on where he's going to live and work based on the tax implications.
And who cares whether you'd rather live in Vegas or Green Bay. It's not like Adams doesn't know what he's leaving behind in GB, or hasn't had the opportunity to go live or visit wherever the hell he feels like in the offseason.
If you want to live somewhere or do something in your life, be more like Davante, don't sit around in your current city out of some perceived loyalty to your employer. It's your life, and it's now or never.
The same people freaking out about DA living his life would probably cream themselves if any half decent player, or God forbid a Watt brother chose the Packers over their current team.
Also now that Davante has come and gone without GB winning the 'Owl, was he a bad draft pick? Was his last extension retroactively the wrong move? Or does that only apply to QBs, asking for a friend:
My in laws have a second home in Tucson, and we’ve been visiting for 20 or so years during Spring Break. For some people, it’s Florida. Others it’s our west in places like Utah or Nevada or New Mexico.
The SE is nice and all I just don’t care for 100+ the humidity. And the bugs. And the NE crowd, understanding that’s mostly SE Florida but whatever. To each their own. Also like the Carolinas and certain parts of Tennessee.
We’ll likely be in Arizona eventually. Maybe New Mexico if the damn Californians keep driving up prices of everything lol.
Unless you are really into winter, like ice fishing, snowmobiling, hunting, the Sconnie winter months are for the birds. I’ll be 50 year and each year I get older I hate it more. Once the kiddos are out of HS we will be looking elsewhere.
As for property taxes, it’s an absolute joke what you pay in places like MN and IL and yes WI. Our primary residence alone (annually) the property tax is equivalent to another mortgage on a modest home in some areas of the country. If it’s not the state screwing you over it’s the greedy bastards in county governments raising their fees and rates. For what?
I’m not going to go on some 10,000 word rant about taxes in WI but believe me the bang for the buck factor ain’t there. And I completely understand why people bail and go to warmer climates or places where their taxes and cost of living is more reasonable.
Last part on Adams. You do realize why he took less money in LV? For the amount of money he’s saving on state income tax he can afford to do so. Not to mention it’s not like GB offers a lot of diversity.
In the end, it’s his money and his choice. More power to him.
I love the seasonal changes in the midwest/great lakes. NE/NYC is better in terms of temp differential from summer to winter and the best autumn. I used to absolutely despise winter before I left WI after school but now back in Chicago I really don't mind it. I appreciate it more for what it is even though shoveling gets harder every year. Parts of AZ and NV are going to be unlivable in the not too distant future though that may not come before most on this board have departed. But soon.
I have lived in:
-Milwaukee and Northshore burbs
-East Central Florida (Melbourne)
-North Florida (Ponte Vedra Beach)
-Southern Utah (St.George)
Next week on to a new adventure near Wolfpack in Wake Forest (Central NC)
I have loved living in each and every place. Kind of chose North Carolina for this stop for year-round mildest weather of all those places. The only place with shitty taxes is Wisconsin…basically double the property taxes of the other places. Loved living in Florida with no income tax during my peak earning years ($65k annually)
This has become the most boring thread since the paint drying debacle of 2009.
I do my part.
Loved that thread BTW.
Maybe I just haven’t been paying close enough attention, but in the last 15 years or so it seems like the weather calendar in WI has shifted more to the right. Meaning summer starts later and ends later.
There have been plenty of shitty April’s and May’s but October and even earlier parts of November have been pleasant -like into the 60s and low 70s.
The SW part of the country has been warmer and drier over that timeframe and I agree in Vegas specifically the water issues will become more problematic.
Indeed, Davante will be one of the first to die of dehydration in the water wars.
Really dumb signing on his part.
@Tavis Smiley posted:In my opinion his addition wouldn’t have had much greater impact than any of the other guys out there. Not saying I’m right, but I don’t see the gap as being that huge. “Devastation” May have been a poor choice of words and I used it in jest, but “obsession” is not. Look at all the posts regarding him.
Or it could be Packer fans are more familiar with him since they see him twice a year, so they know he's a solid and reliable wr. Again, I've seen no one comment that he was anything approaching a replacement for 17. Just a vet who's had a vg career and one piece to construct a solid wr corps, which is sorely lacking at this point.
I'd live anywhere if the job/money is right.
Once I retire Apr-Oct in WI, Nov-Mar in TX.
Of course Wisconsin is going to have high taxes. It supports one of the best education systems in the USA. This proven by the fact WI is always near the top in SAT and ACT scores. And when it comes to roads it takes massive amounts of money to keep the roads safe to drive in the winter. And that weather also means it takes lots of money to repair those roads. JMHO.
@DocBenni posted:This has become the most boring thread since the paint drying debacle of 2009.
Wanna go ice some cookies with me?
Different priorities for different people. Some people love The Midwest, some people hate it. Even if they were born and raised there. Same applies to CA, FL, and Vegas. To each their own. Kind of difficult to judge an individual based on it.
Best education systems in the US? That’s debatable.
Average ACT score is 20. That’s about average. Blended SAT and ACT is better, but not remarkable.
I think you are living off past reputation. I could take the ACT drunk and get 20. Maybe kids today just aren’t that bright, I don’t know.
Thankfully my kids are smarter than me. And my wife.
But 20? And we tax the hell out of everyone? Seems to my we should ask for our tax dollars back. And seeing that it takes the state 10x longer to upgrade or maintain our major highway systems I’d say that’s worth a discount as well.
@Tschmack posted:Best education systems in the US? That’s debatable.
Average ACT score is 20. That’s about average. Blended SAT and ACT is better, but not remarkable.
I think you are living off past reputation. I could take the ACT drunk and get 20. Maybe kids today just aren’t that bright, I don’t know.
SAT / ACT scores, academic rankings, etc are all more dependent on parent socio-economic status than actual quality of the educational system. OF COURSE there are outliers, but I chuckle when I hear young parents talk about choosing where to live based on quality of the school system....the house they live in is 10X more important than the school they attend.
If I had my choice I would live in GB from May to Christmas. Then Vegas from New Years until the summer. I want no part of months of GB cold and no part of 120 degrees in Vegas.
Liar.
It was usually only like 118 when we went to Vegas in July.
I know its a dry heat but my old fat ass would melt at 118
Actually why I loved about the desert heat was it was the opposite of Florida heat. I would sweat through 4 shirts on yard work day in Florida.
In Utah, I had some cooling shirts that you’d soak in water to start and as your hike went on, they dried. I’d take the dry heat all day long.
Now Sconnie winters? No fucking way, I’d rather live in a swamp in Louisiana.
And I said “Sconnie “ because I fucking hate that word.
@Blair Kiel posted:And I said “Sconnie “ because I fucking hate that word.
Me too….who started that?
@Blair Kiel posted:Actually why I loved about the desert heat was it was the opposite of Florida heat. I would sweat through 4 shirts on yard work day in Florida.
In Utah, I had some cooling shirts that you’d soak in water to start and as your hike went on, they dried. I’d take the dry heat all day long.
Now Sconnie winters? No fucking way, I’d rather live in a swamp in Louisiana.
When I lived in the deep south I compared the summers there to WI winters. I didn't want to go outside in either one of them. Not sure what is worse having to take multiple showers a day because of the humidity or freezing my butt off. Give me the dry heat.
When I lived down by the NC/SC border I had to come home for my grandma's funeral. Where I was stationed in NC it was 82 degrees when I left and when I landed in GB? -18 yep a 100 degree change in temperature in a few hours. Haven't set foot in WI during the winter since 1993.
I’ve come back a few times in winter and each time thought to myself in a Nancy Kerrigan voice, “Why?”