I agree. This will be a really nice pick.
May need some help in the learning Dept.
Coaches & teammates will help out.
YATittle posted:I just think this guy is gonna be the surprise of the draft. Just a hunch.
I am even shocked the Packers may have taken care of so many holes in their roster. I noticed in this thread some had him rated the top interior lineman in the entire draft and then you factor in his versatility.
On paper, the Pack looks so much better than two years ago.
I dunno. Sounds like we're perilously close to winning the offseason championship.
Gotta let the Vikings have that one. It's all they have. Don't be cruel.
BrainDed posted:We let those guys walk at the right time. That said, I disagree with the premise that got floated that G simply isn't important. We saw what shit G play can do to an offense last year, it's not pretty.
Rodgers is known for escaping up and then out. Remember what it looked like when Hundley wouldn't step up and just started running around the RT every ****ing pass play? Yeah, not good. It may not be the most vital position, but if you can't protect the middle of the pocket, you got nothing.
I don't think anyone is saying G isn't important. Simply put, G is an easier position to fill.
DH13 posted:I dunno. Sounds like we're perilously close to winning the offseason championship.
Nah...the queens always win that one...every year....no doubt..
DH13 posted:I dunno. Sounds like we're perilously close to winning the offseason championship.
Good point. Spriggs sucks!
But really, the depth at T is horrible.
Here Jenkins stonewalls Quinnen Williams at the LOS pic.twitter.com/JjMq63af1N
— Dan Dahlke (@DanDahlke86) May 1, 2019
Henry posted:BrainDed posted:We let those guys walk at the right time. That said, I disagree with the premise that got floated that G simply isn't important. We saw what shit G play can do to an offense last year, it's not pretty.
Rodgers is known for escaping up and then out. Remember what it looked like when Hundley wouldn't step up and just started running around the RT every ****ing pass play? Yeah, not good. It may not be the most vital position, but if you can't protect the middle of the pocket, you got nothing.
I don't think anyone is saying G isn't important. Simply put, G is an easier position to fill.
Just going on the pronunciation of Elgton's name, G isn't that important.
Dave in GA posted:DH13 posted:I dunno. Sounds like we're perilously close to winning the offseason championship.
Nah...the queens always win that one...every year....no doubt..
For what it is worth SI gave our entire draft a grade A-. The Vikings got an A. Dammit, they win the offseason again.
Maxi54 posted:I really wanted Risner at #44, (So close.) but I don't know much about Jenkins and we really needed help in the interior O line so I'm definitely okay with the pick and reason behind it. Hope he ends up being a solid player for the next 10 years.
Name one good OT that has ever come out of K State.
What in the hell does that have to do with anything? I liked his versatility at either guard or tackle along with the fact that I think he's going to be a darn good player.
AtTheMurph posted:Maxi54 posted:I really wanted Risner at #44, (So close.) but I don't know much about Jenkins and we really needed help in the interior O line so I'm definitely okay with the pick and reason behind it. Hope he ends up being a solid player for the next 10 years.
Name one good OT that has ever come out of K State.
Risner.
Watch.
AtTheMurph posted:Maxi54 posted:I really wanted Risner at #44, (So close.) but I don't know much about Jenkins and we really needed help in the interior O line so I'm definitely okay with the pick and reason behind it. Hope he ends up being a solid player for the next 10 years.
Name one good OT that has ever come out of K State.
Dumb statement. Great players can and do come from any school.
Pakrz posted:AtTheMurph posted:Maxi54 posted:I really wanted Risner at #44, (So close.) but I don't know much about Jenkins and we really needed help in the interior O line so I'm definitely okay with the pick and reason behind it. Hope he ends up being a solid player for the next 10 years.
Name one good OT that has ever come out of K State.
Dumb statement. Great players can and do come from any school.
AtTheMurph posted:Maxi54 posted:I really wanted Risner at #44, (So close.) but I don't know much about Jenkins and we really needed help in the interior O line so I'm definitely okay with the pick and reason behind it. Hope he ends up being a solid player for the next 10 years.
Name one good OT that has ever come out of K State.
Fans before 2005 NFL Draft: Name one successful Jeff Tedford QB in the NFL.
Jerry Rice: Mississippi Valley State
Randy Moss: Marshall
Khalil Mack: Buffalo
Andre Reed: Kutztown State
Shannon Sharpe: Savannah State
Charles Haley: James Madison
Darrell Green: Texas A&I
Kurt Warner: Northern Iowa
Larry Allen: Sonoma State
THE Walter Payton: Jackson State
The list goes on and on and on.
Dave Kreig: Milton College
Terrell Owens: UT-Chattanooga
Donald Driver: Alcorn State
Wayne Chrebet: Hofstra
Carson Wentz, North Dakota State
Danny Woodhead, Chadron State
Malcolm Butler, Western Alabama
Tony Romo and Jimmy Garoppolo, Eastern Illinois
Grave Digger posted:Fans before 2005 NFL Draft: Name one successful Jeff Tedford QB in the NFL.
I was one of them that felt that way.... I hated the Aaron Rodgers pick at the time. I was thankfully oh so very very very very wrong and stupid about that way of thinking.
Wasn't Tedford's fault NFL QB coaches couldn't develop them. 
Art Shell one of the best OL I've seen - Maryland Eastern Shores
Seems there is a lot of post draft hype for Jenkins. More than there was pre-draft.
DH13 posted:Jaymo: sisters of the poor
I.D.O.T. U!!
Maxi54 posted:What in the hell does that have to do with anything? I liked his versatility at either guard or tackle along with the fact that I think he's going to be a darn good player.
It has to do with the pathetic history of K State OTs drafted into the NFL. I think Risner is going to be another. He might get some play at G but Tackles just don't come out of that school.
If Risner makes at T I think he will be the first.
Grave Digger posted:AtTheMurph posted:Maxi54 posted:I really wanted Risner at #44, (So close.) but I don't know much about Jenkins and we really needed help in the interior O line so I'm definitely okay with the pick and reason behind it. Hope he ends up being a solid player for the next 10 years.
Name one good OT that has ever come out of K State.
Fans before 2005 NFL Draft: Name one successful Jeff Tedford QB in the NFL.
QBs almost never make it. Doesn't matter the school. OTs drafted high have a much higher hit rate.
And if Rodgers would have had to play in 2005 and 2006 we would probably be sitting here wondering which QB GB will try to draft next season because he sure as hell wasn't close to being ready.
Not many 1st rounders get the luxury of learning for 3 seasons before they have to give it a go under game conditions.
Pakrz posted:AtTheMurph posted:Maxi54 posted:I really wanted Risner at #44, (So close.) but I don't know much about Jenkins and we really needed help in the interior O line so I'm definitely okay with the pick and reason behind it. Hope he ends up being a solid player for the next 10 years.
Name one good OT that has ever come out of K State.
Dumb statement. Great players can and do come from any school.
It's an observation and a question. And I agree with you. Players can come from any school. However, unless you can name one ( and I can't and seemingly no one else can either), there has never been a good OT come from K State. What are the odds?
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/...ason-kelce-and-more/
Dalton Risner, Kansas State
NFL comparison: Bryan Bulaga
Risner provides more positional versatility than Bulaga and is a little more twitched up as an athlete. Both were dominant pass and run blockers in college who occasionally had problems anchoring against speed-to-power rushers. Then again, Risner didn't really have problems dealing with Montez Sweat early in the season, and we now know how ridiculous of a specimen he is. With a few more pounds and some time in an NFL strength and conditioning program, Risner can be a complete right tackle. At this point, like Bulaga, he's quick enough in his kick slide to deal with speed, fires his hands at the correct time, can recover, and is a bully in the run game.
AtTheMurph posted:Grave Digger posted:AtTheMurph posted:Maxi54 posted:I really wanted Risner at #44, (So close.) but I don't know much about Jenkins and we really needed help in the interior O line so I'm definitely okay with the pick and reason behind it. Hope he ends up being a solid player for the next 10 years.
Name one good OT that has ever come out of K State.
Fans before 2005 NFL Draft: Name one successful Jeff Tedford QB in the NFL.
QBs almost never make it. Doesn't matter the school. OTs drafted high have a much higher hit rate.
And if Rodgers would have had to play in 2005 and 2006 we would probably be sitting here wondering which QB GB will try to draft next season because he sure as hell wasn't close to being ready.
Not many 1st rounders get the luxury of learning for 3 seasons before they have to give it a go under game conditions.
I think it's more like most GMs and coaches say, " We took this guy in the top 5 so we have to play him." And that is why most QB who ae forced to start as rookies struggle or even fail.
It’s not fair to judge players drafted in 2018, so looking back at Tackles drafted in R1 from 2010-2017 it’s a real mixed bag. I count 32 chosen and of those who are 1) still playing OT and 2) recognized at some point for being above average (all-pro, pro bowl, etc.) I count 10. In the same time frame I count 22 R1 QBs with 6 having the same level of accolades/status. So you’re talking a 31% success rate for OTs vs. a 27% success rate for QBs. That’s a 1 player swing, I don’t think it’s necessarily fair to say OTs have a much higher success rate. QB, OT, and Edge are the highest paid positions in the NFL, they’re always going to be over-drafted because of that need. The odds you’re getting a successful player are dicey to begin with. What school he comes from doesn’t really factor into it. There have been 7 Wisconsin OTs drafted in R1 in draft history, how many have had league accolades? 1 (Joe Thomas). Does that mean we should stop drafting Wisconsin OTs in R1?
Paul ****ing Gruber.
Ryan ****ing Ramczyk
(not to mention Zeitler and Fredrick). Bad example when you should clearly always draft Wisconsin lineman
When the pack drafted Jamal Reynolds I questioned how many good DL come from FLA. St?
https://chopchat.com/2016/05/1...ogram-history/amp/2/
This article is 3 years old. But take a look at the "Top 5" in FLA St. Program history. Not exactly a "who's who" for NFL DL
Now all that being said....just because we haven't seen an Aaron Donald come from F$U doesn't mean we won't in the future. You have to keep an open mind when drafting. Good players can come from anywhere and not just schools either.
Not sure you want to be compared to Bulaga. Will he be injured every year?