I’m guessing Peter King will be fine wherever and whenever AR ends up.
@MichiganPacker posted:Peter King, like many in the media, want Rodgers to get to NYC as soon as possible. It's good for their bottom line.
It's good for creating that buzz they want but plenty of those guys are Jets fans too. They want him for nothing. It's almost like they're so conditioned to losing that they don't see this short window of opportunity they have. Saleh was giddy that Rodgers is even willing to play for the Jets. That appears to be what these guys don't realize. Not only a HOF QB seldom becomes available, those type of players can pick and chose where they go.
@michiganjoe posted:Leverage is limited by what appears to be an extremely limited market for his services. I expect the compensation to be resolved sooner rather than later.
The market for his services has been limited by Rodgers. We will only get picks if Rodgers wants to play for the team. Rodgers has only said he wants to play for the Jets. We can shop him around all we like but if he's not willing to play somewhere, we're not getting any real compensation for him.
On that note given how long this has taken, I don't think it has anything to do with trade compensation at all. I think the holdup is Rodgers contract. The Jets are only $9m under the cap right now. As soon as they trade for AR they are going to be $7m over the cap at a minimum. No team is over the cap currently. And that's the best case if they pick up his option bonus. If they pick up his option bonus that means that AR will count $44m against the Jets cap next year whether he plays or not.
The Jets basically have to rework his deal, but there's also no way AR is giving up his $60m guarantee for this year. Personally I think the entire hold up is AR and his contract with the Jets. I also think this is why he said he "intends" to play for the Jets. It's a matter of if the Jets will give him the contract restructure he's looking for or not. The rest of this "leverage" and 1st round pick BS is just a smokescreen.
Peter King will be fine but he certainly wants Rodgers close by. They all see what Rodgers has done for McAfee and want a piece of that, even someone of King's stature.
@vitaflo posted:On that note given how long this has taken, I don't think it has anything to do with trade compensation at all. I think the holdup is Rodgers contract. The Jets are only $9m under the cap right now. As soon as they trade for AR they are going to be $7m over the cap at a minimum. No team is over the cap currently. And that's the best case if they pick up his option bonus. If they pick up his option bonus that means that AR will count $44m against the Jets cap next year whether he plays or not.
Corey Davis has long been rumored to be a cap casualty which would clear the space for Rodgers. But the longer he remains with the Jets the more I think he could be part of the trade package. He actually would be a decent addition to the Packers for the remaining year he has on his contract. It might also pacify the Jets by taking some cap back and avoid paying part of Rodgers contract for them. If the Packers want Love to succeed they need to add some veteran WRs. They are incredibly thin at WR right now.
@PackerRick posted:Corey Davis has long been rumored to be a cap casualty which would clear the space for Rodgers. But the longer he remains with the Jets the more I think he could be part of the trade package. He actually would be a decent addition to the Packers for the remaining year he has on his contract. It might also pacify the Jets by taking some cap back and avoid paying part of Rodgers contract for them. If the Packers want Love to succeed they need to add some veteran WRs. They are incredibly thin at WR right now.
It's a good point. Davis would bring $10m in cap savings to the Jets. Tho he would be more expensive for us than Lazard would have been. It's debatable whether he's better than Lazard.
Also, while the Packers could afford Davis' cap hit, he would have the 3rd highest cap hit on the team.
@PackerRick posted:The Packers don't exercise Rodgers option until the regular season starts so they can really hurt the Jets if they don't cut a deal before the draft. After the draft the Packers will likely make Rodgers available to all teams which really puts the Jets in a bind. The Jets have no QB and SB ambitions. How can they possible have the leverage? After June 1st I'd be happy to see Rodgers traded to anybody for anything just so the Jets don't get him.
And/or say to the Jets - if this isn’t resolved before the draft, the price goes up. Perhaps number 1’s in 2024 & 2025. There is no one the Jets can draft at 13 that will impact their 2023 season as much as Rodgers! That being said, I’m debating whether 42 & 43 are more helpful. 😂
@vitaflo posted:The market for his services has been limited by Rodgers. We will only get picks if Rodgers wants to play for the team. Rodgers has only said he wants to play for the Jets. We can shop him around all we like but if he's not willing to play somewhere, we're not getting any real compensation for him.
His affection for the Jets came very late in the process after there didn't apparently was much demand for his services (beyond the Jets). I believe lots of factors contributed to it with age and years to play likely the biggest factor.
@vitaflo posted:It's a good point. Davis would bring $10m in cap savings to the Jets. Tho he would be more expensive for us than Lazard would have been. It's debatable whether he's better than Lazard.
Also, while the Packers could afford Davis' cap hit, he would have the 3rd highest cap hit on the team.
Davis only has one year left on his contract so it's not like getting saddled with a long term contract that they later regret taking on. Kind of a prove it deal or a stopgap for the young WRs to gain a year of experience. There are some positives for the Packers acquiring Davis.
@PA green & gold posted:And/or say to the Jets - if this isn’t resolved before the draft, the price goes up. Perhaps number 1’s in 2024 & 2025. There is no one the Jets can draft at 13 that will impact their 2023 season as much as Rodgers! That being said, I’m debating whether 42 & 43 are more helpful. 😂
I'd like 42 & 43 but the Jets are so stingy they probably will only give up one of those picks. Combined they aren't worth the #13 pick but I like the idea of have two shots. How the draft unfolds could be a factor too. I've seen some mocks where the top OLinemen are gone before #13 and that could loosen the Jets up. A trade might happen when the Jets turn come up.
Sounds like Rodgers already has Saleh’s balls in his pocket
@ByRyanWood: Robert Saleh on Rodgers attending OTAs: “If there’s great rapport with the coordinator, there’s really no urgency. The quarterback, if he understands the system, if the quarterback knows it, it’s just a matter of refining skills and all that stuff. So there’s no hurry on our end”
@michiganjoe posted:His affection for the Jets came very late in the process after there didn't apparently was much demand for his services (beyond the Jets). I believe lots of factors contributed to it with age and years to play likely the biggest factor.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Packers/Jets connection began as far back as during last season. Gute probably didn't hide the fact the Rodgers would be available to the people in the know while the Jets were losing their last 6 games to poor QB play. I think there could be more interested teams that Rodgers would go to if they can contend. I think the Packers sought out the Jets because they had the pick the Packers wanted, had a rich owner that would get involved, and had a decent team that watched their season disintegrate because they had no QB. Saleh is a defensive guy so Rodgers brings a lot of value to the Jets with his on field knowledge.
@Dr._Bob posted:Rodgers told him he should take plays off when the ball isn't coming to him to conserve his energy. Stuff like that.
Ahhh, the famous vestigial organ* of passing plays ?
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"In the context of human evolution, human vestigiality involves those traits occurring in humans that have lost all or most of their original function through evolution."
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@PackerRick posted:It's good for creating that buzz they want but plenty of those guys are Jets fans too. They want him for nothing. It's almost like they're so conditioned to losing that they don't see this short window of opportunity they have. Saleh was giddy that Rodgers is even willing to play for the Jets. That appears to be what these guys don't realize. Not only a HOF QB seldom becomes available, those type of players can pick and chose where they go.
It is crazy how many in the sports media are Jets fans. That is no accident.
@PackerRick posted:The Packers don't exercise Rodgers option until the regular season starts so they can really hurt the Jets if they don't cut a deal before the draft. After the draft the Packers will likely make Rodgers available to all teams which really puts the Jets in a bind. The Jets have no QB and SB ambitions. How can they possible have the leverage? After June 1st I'd be happy to see Rodgers traded to anybody for anything just so the Jets don't get him.
yes, in addition to this - consider the qb injuries that may occur during training camps - that door becomes wide open after the draft also.
Joe Douglas, asked about Lamar Jackson, says it would be “disingenuous” to show interest in Jackson because they have a QB plan and want to stick to it. He says it would be negotiating in bad faith if they veered off their plan. #Jets
— Rich Cimini (@RichCimini) March 27, 2023
Takeaway from Saleh: Without directly commenting on the #Jets interest in Rodgers, Saleh makes it clear they're all-in and willing to wait it out. As he noted, he's not hitting the panic buttom. Some posturing involved here, of course. All part of negotiations.
— Rich Cimini (@RichCimini) March 27, 2023
@YooperPackfan posted:So if Ted Thompson kept the receiver room stocked with talent why did Gutekunst only inherit one good receiver? That comment makes no sense
Because Ted Thompson wasn't capble of legally making decisions the last 3 years of his career.
Wonder if Saleh and MLF talked this week
@michiganjoe posted:
Zach nails it.
In other words, there is an agreement in place and part of that agreement is for the Jets to wait until the cap hit gets spread out over the 2 years for the Packers.
If accurate, one would assume that costs the packers something. Jets wouldn't agree to that without compensation.
These days, it's more about moving money than it is about moving players.
Saleh on Zach Wilson: "He's our No. 2." #Jets
— Rich Cimini (@RichCimini) March 27, 2023
@BrainDed posted:In other words, there is an agreement in place and part of that agreement is for the Jets to wait until the cap hit gets spread out over the 2 years for the Packers.
If accurate, one would assume that costs the packers something. Jets wouldn't agree to that without compensation.
So, help me out here, they agree to trade for Rodgers after June 1st. But they also agree to give this years draft picks? Can they do that?
@PackerPatrick posted:So, help me out here, they agree to trade for Rodgers after June 1st. But they also agree to give this years draft picks? Can they do that?
Nope
@H5 posted:Saleh on Zach Wilson: "He's our No. 2." #Jets
— Rich Cimini (@RichCimini) March 27, 2023
Yah, he is #1 in #2. Sounds like a plumber joke.
@ilcuqui posted:Sounds like Rodgers already has Saleh’s balls in his pocket
@ByRyanWood: Robert Saleh on Rodgers attending OTAs: “If there’s great rapport with the coordinator, there’s really no urgency. The quarterback, if he understands the system, if the quarterback knows it, it’s just a matter of refining skills and all that stuff. So there’s no hurry on our end”
There ya go, the only thing that matters is the QB's rapport with the OC, nothing else matters.
Shit trade him the day before week 1 starts then.
@BrainDed posted:In other words, there is an agreement in place and part of that agreement is for the Jets to wait until the cap hit gets spread out over the 2 years for the Packers.
If accurate, one would assume that costs the packers something. Jets wouldn't agree to that without compensation.
The Packers don't want the cap hit spread out over 2 years. They don't want Love to play his first two years with a constrained cap. They'll take their lumps this year.
@PackerPatrick posted:So, help me out here, they agree to trade for Rodgers after June 1st. But they also agree to give this years draft picks? Can they do that?
Where did I say it would be this years picks?
If this isn't the situation, what is the hold up? Why would the Jets not be pursuing a plan B if negotiations have stalled for this long?
The consensus here seems to be that the Packers are holding out for more. Why would the Jets come out and say we have no other plan if that is the case?
Is Belichick missing? Probably said "F That" I am not socializing with those morons.
Wonder why Rodgers' agent negotiated (or agreed to) the contract so that the poison-pill 60 million dollar roster bonus triggers just before the opening of the regular season?
If it would have written to trigger before the draft of the start of training camp, this would be an entirely different situation. As of now, the Packers can wait this out until the end of August.
@vitaflo posted:Well, Adams won't have his number in the ring of honor some day. And we got multiple picks for Adams, so it was technically Quay and Watson (from the trade up) who we got from the Adams trade.
I think most of the hand wringing is if we get the #13 pick and nothing else. Then you're basically saying "this one player = Rodgers", fair or not. If we get more than one pick (even a future pick) then this is a moot point really.
The original comment I replied to was something about how player X, taken with a pick received from trading Rodgers, would have more pressure on him than if he had just been a regular old draft pick not at all associated with AR12. That's what I take issue with, not the actual compensation in the trade (if the damn thing ever happens).
@ilcuqui posted:Nope
I was wondering about that June 1st business, so I looked it up.
New rules
https://www.profootballnetwork...on-what-why-and-how/
"Therefore, the NFL has a rule allowing teams to designate two players per year as post-June 1 cuts but actually release them before that date. They somewhat uncreatively called it “the post-June 1 designation.”
When a player is cut with a post-June 1 designation, they immediately become a free agent at the start of the new league year."
#Packers GM Brian Gutekunst just met with a small group of media here in Phoenix.
— Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) March 27, 2023
- No timeline on trading Aaron Rodgers, hoping soon
- Doesn’t necessarily need a first-round pick
- Any chance Rodgers plays for GB again? Not trending that way but “all options are on the table”