@Chongo posted:So is it just Rodgers you have this issue with, or all NFL starting QB who are paid north of $35M per year?
Don’t give a fuck about the other QBs. They play for other teams.
@BrainDed posted:I'm a huge Rodgers fan and believe the front office is the root cause of the problems / drama / failures.
That said, I would trade Rodgers to Denver for the same haul that Seattle got. 2 or 3 more years of QB play isn't worth what they were giving up.
If they win the SB it is to me. I’d take a couple of years of suck after that.
"I'm a huge Rodgers fan and believe the front office is the root cause of the problems / drama / failures."
I can't stand Rodgers I think a lot of the problems relate to him. He is a walking embodiment of narcissism. He struggles with relationships other than those in a tight knit locker-room and even in those situations he is vindictive towards anyone that dare criticize him. He hangs out with celebrities, can't commit to a relationship, doesn't speak to his family. When his absolute nonsense related to lying about a vaccine during a pandemic that has killed 6 million plus people is pointed out, he loses his mind. It's the woke mob's fault.. Cancel culture is out to get him. Joe Rogan knows the cure. The election was a fraud...No. This horses ass brought most of it on himself.
When did Lombardi draft Don Horn in the first round? Right between Bart Starr's super bowl wins. Imagine Bart Starr saying his time with Green Bay was a beautiful mystery.
I'm not fond of Gutekunst or the front office. I lost sleep when they picked Love. I was so pi$$ed off. But Gute has a role to make the Packers better and he thought he was doing that when he selected a QB to replace an aging superstar.
All Rodgers had to do was play well. He would retain his job and probably get a nice raise....and by God he did that. ....and I think he can bitch a little a bit about how he felt disrespected, but this F'n drama? Shut your Pie hole you ingrate. We are all dispensable and will be replaced in the long run. Most with a lot less fan fare.
I'm not completely foolish, Rodgers is one of the greats of all time..and he is tough, but passing up on this chance to improve the mid range future of this team for another NFC North title burns my butt...when or if Rodgers gets hurt next season, to me that is on Gutekunst. He had the most optimal chance of re-loading since the LA Rams screwed the Packers in the early 70s. He took the easy route and if that route doesn't succeed, he should pay.
@Goalline posted:It changes my opinion of Gute. Nothing special about him.
He's had more hits than misses, but in the modern NFL you have to successfully evaluate QBs. If you miss on that, the other stuff often doesn't matter.
@Satori posted:The quote I liked was this one:
" Rodgers wasn't the reason we lost to the 9ers, but he could have been the reason we won...and he wasn't that either."
He makes 5 times more than all the special teams players put together. That he couldn’t put up more points than they conceded makes him the primary reason we lost.
Another quote: “ From whom much is given much is expected “.
How did LA screw the Pack in the early seventies
@MichiganPacker posted:He's had more hits than misses, but in the modern NFL you have to successfully evaluate QBs. If you miss on that, the other stuff often doesn't matter.
That’s it, isn’t it? If you can’t properly evaluate QBs you end up paying 50 mil a year to a guy who could fall off the performance cliff anytime now.
@Johnson posted:"I'm a huge Rodgers fan and believe the front office is the root cause of the problems / drama / failures."
I can't stand Rodgers I think a lot of the problems relate to him. He is a walking embodiment of narcissism. He struggles with relationships other than those in a tight knit locker-room and even in those situations he is vindictive towards anyone that dare criticize him. He hangs out with celebrities, can't commit to a relationship, doesn't speak to his family. When his absolute nonsense related to lying about a vaccine during a pandemic that has killed 6 million plus people is pointed out, he loses his mind. It's the woke mob's fault.. Cancel culture is out to get him. Joe Rogan knows the cure. The election was a fraud...No. This horses ass brought most of it on himself.
When did Lombardi draft Don Horn in the first round? Right between Bart Starr's super bowl wins. Imagine Bart Starr saying his time with Green Bay was a beautiful mystery.
I'm not fond of Gutekunst or the front office. I lost sleep when they picked Love. I was so pi$$ed off. But Gute has a role to make the Packers better and he thought he was doing that when he selected a QB to replace an aging superstar.
All Rodgers had to do was play well. He would retain his job and probably get a nice raise....and by God he did that. ....and I think he can bitch a little a bit about how he felt disrespected, but this F'n drama? Shut your Pie hole you ingrate. We are all dispensable and will be replaced in the long run. Most with a lot less fan fare.
I'm not completely foolish, Rodgers is one of the greats of all time..and he is tough, but passing up on this chance to improve the mid range future of this team for another NFC North title burns my butt...when or if Rodgers gets hurt next season, to me that is on Gutekunst. He had the most optimal chance of re-loading since the LA Rams screwed the Packers in the early 70s. He took the easy route and if that route doesn't succeed, he should pay.
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Rodgers gives this team their best chance to win now pure and simple. I’ll take my chances with him in the post season rather than not making it for the next 5 years.
If you want to reload with draft picks and a young QB who’s looked in over his head in any opportunity he’s had, then go ahead and resent the franchise and AR. The truth of the matter is that there was no way this team was going to win with Love, and the only way those draft picks would have paid dividends was if GB had a competent QB behind center. If Love goes somewhere and lights it up I’ll take the hit on here, but it’s not happening.
Does Rodgers have drama and diva attached to him? Of course, but those people who pretend to know him by analyzing his family and personal relationships look silly and like they stayed at a Holiday Inn last night. I personally believe like many of you that AR fucked up big time with his COVID comments, but he apologized for the backlash that caused to others when he was on McAfee. I’ll pull it up for you if you want.
At the end of the day I think he’s been loyal to the franchise and it’s fanbase through a majority of his talk and actions. could he have acted differently in a couple of situations and played better in the lost season? Sure! but he’s a human being, and not the definition of perfection on and off the field. To compare his actions to the wife cheating, vindictive, hillbilly Favre is a joke. Rodgers seems to be more though provoking and sincere than Favre ever was.
I would agree that Rodgers gives them the best chance to win now. The bigger question is to what extent or degree?
If winning another NFC North division and a playoff game is the goal, well, mission accomplished. For many people - that’s good enough.
But for all of the accolades and greatness during the regular season he’s not delivered in the postseason. Yes, he’s not completely responsible for those failures, but he’s not played very well in a lot of those playoff games either.
I’ll admit - the idea of taking the draft picks and players Denver gave up to get Wilson is really intriguing. Had Denver offered GB that same deal I’m not sure I would have turned them away. The fact of the matter is Rodgers isn’t getting any younger and no I don’t think Love is the answer but maybe it’s time to find out. If he sucks then their draft picks improve. They would also be getting a number of extra chances in the draft (via Denver) to improve the team around the QB.
I would love nothing else than to see Rodgers and the Packers get back to and win the SB and then him ride off into the sunset. I just don’t see that as a high probability. It’s literally Super Bowl or bust for the GBP. And when does that usually work out?
What’s fascinating to me is Gute may have defined his legacy with this move. If Rodgers finally wins another title he will look like a genius for keeping him. On the other hand, if Rodgers falls short (again) I’m sure he’ll be second guessed to death for not trading him.
Tons of pressure on both AR and the organization. Only way to validate the move is with a Super Bowl win.
Other posters have brought up good points lately. I believe it was MichiganPacker who pointed out the MLF is not as great a coach as some say for his inability to professionally deal with the special teams issue last year AND game planning in both the Kansas City game and the Niner playoff game.
Another poster pointed out that Rodgers, like Brady other than his Buc years, has locked onto his favorite receivers, defenses know this and adjust and we flounder. remember those games where they'd post Rodgers had completions to 7-10 different receivers? Seems like we won all those. Seems like he was completely unlike that in the Niners loss.
Going forward, I hope I'm wrong and eating crow, but I'm with Tschmack on this one.
@Pikes Peak posted:How did LA screw the Pack in the early seventies
In 1974 John Hadl came to the Packers (via the Rams) on what was arguably the worst trade in NFL history. He was 34, wasn't starting, and they gave FIVE draft picks for him, including first and second round for two years in a row.
It was a true screwing as Chuck Knox and the Rams new Hadl had an undisclosed arm injury.
Rams general manager Don Klosterman used Green Bay’s first-round pick of 1975 (No. 9 overall) to select defensive lineman Mike Fanning, who gave the team eight solid seasons. Klosterman used the remaining picks from the trade to assemble the core of Los Angeles’ secondary for the next few seasons: Monte Jackson, Pat Thomas and Nolan Cromwell (via a trade using another of Green Bay’s picks).
Hadl won his first three games for the Packers and then stunk in his last three. That was it---6 games--it set the packers back for years, more likely decades.
But---I forgot about the Hershel Walker trade, that was more advantageous for the Cowboys than the Hadl trade was for the Rams......both absolute disasters.
@Goalline posted:They are looking to build that kind of team with their new draft picks.
Best of luck to them. It's one thing to have the pieces in place to surround a non-star QB like the Niners do. It's a completely different thing to go out and draft them. The Seahawks traded away the teams identity yesterday in favor of a 72 year old head coach. Will see in a few years what kind of move that was.
@MichiganPacker posted:He's had more hits than misses, but in the modern NFL you have to successfully evaluate QBs. If you miss on that, the other stuff often doesn't matter.
Very true. Well, except for the last couple of years. I wonder if there will be more Bucs/Rams type stories in the next 5 or 6 years. You got all the tools but you drafted the wrong QB. So you go trade for one or sign some legend at the end of his career. I guess you can throw Denver and Manning in there too.
I can't stand Rodgers I think a lot of the problems relate to him. He is a walking embodiment of narcissism. He struggles with relationships other than those in a tight knit locker-room and even in those situations he is vindictive towards anyone that dare criticize him. He hangs out with celebrities, can't commit to a relationship, doesn't speak to his family. When his absolute nonsense related to lying about a vaccine during a pandemic that has killed 6 million plus people is pointed out, he loses his mind. It's the woke mob's fault.. Cancel culture is out to get him. Joe Rogan knows the cure. The election was a fraud...No. This horses ass brought most of it on himself.
Holy internet stalker vibes. You think you know, but you don't. You don't know shit about Aaron Rodgers the person. Neither do I.
@PackerHawk posted:Best of luck to them. It's one thing to have the pieces in place to surround a non-star QB like the Niners do. It's a completely different thing to go out and draft them. The Seahawks traded away the teams identity yesterday in favor of a 72 year old head coach. Will see in a few years what kind of move that was.
Yup! I still contend that to win a Super Bowl you are better off spending the money on the best defense. Many on this board believe the QB position is key. We’ll see.
What’s fascinating to me is Gute may have defined his legacy with this move. If Rodgers finally wins another title he will look like a genius for keeping him. On the other hand, if Rodgers falls short (again) I’m sure he’ll be second guessed to death for not trading him.
I don't know about that. I think he is fucked either way. Win a Trophy with Rodgers and he is a dipshit for drafting Love. Don't win one and he is a dipshit for not trading Rodger. Only path to redemption is win won with Rodgers, which gives him a couple more years, then build a winning team without him,
@Goalline posted:Yup! I still contend that to win a Super Bowl you are better off spending the money on the best defense. Many on this board believe the QB position is key. We’ll see.
You don't need an elite QB to win a Super Bowl, but it helps.
Unless the club is going all-in to build the 2000 Ravens or 2013 Seahawks, it's not wise...especially in a league that values offense more than D and crafts it's rules changes to benefit them.
But let me tell ya something about those Ravens and Seahawks defenses...they were built on the backs of mid-round stars they hit big on in rounds 4-7...a skill that has eluded Gute in his time as shot caller.
Scouting dept has to do better unearthing guys in rounds 4-7 that contribute in 2-deep as well as ST.
The years Brady won it, he also had very good D and ST units at New England, and a very good D at Tampa.
I think it was Marv Levy who said something to the effect of "a good offense makes you good; a good defense makes you great; and special teams makes you a champion".
@Chongo posted:You don't need an elite QB to win a Super Bowl, but it helps.
It only helps if his contract doesn’t prevent you from acquiring top class defensive talent.
@Chongo posted:If you're building largely through FA you are never going to have enough money to win. The draft is where championships are won.
We saw with TT that you can’t win exclusively with draft picks.
@Goalline posted:Oh, you’ll argue with me eventually. Us idiots are irresistible. I mean, look at Fedya.😉
LOL. I think we've all been idots on this board at one time or another. Especially drunk on game days. Game days are fun.
@Chongo posted:I didn't say exclusively.
Well, the draft is definitely the most important part of building a champion.
@Fedya posted:The years Brady won it, he also had very good D and ST units at New England, and a very good D at Tampa.
I think it was Marv Levy who said something to the effect of "a good offense makes you good; a good defense makes you great; and special teams makes you a champion".
Marv had all three for years and he... well, he had all three for years.
@Chongo posted:
Nope, don't give a fuck. Sports are really starting to bore me.
@Iowacheese posted:Nope, don't give a fuck. Sports are really starting to bore me.
😂 You are worse than my wife.
@Goalline posted:It never is all on him, yet he’s paid like it is all on him. That is my #1 issue with Rodgers.
The market is what it is, so I don't have an issue with how much he's paid as long as we can build a SB caliber team around him and win the damn thing. If it hinders our ability to do that, then I have an issue with it.
@Harry Manback posted:The market is what it is, so I don't have an issue with how much he's paid as long as we can build a SB caliber team around him and win the damn thing. If it hinders our ability to do that, then I have an issue with it.
I don't blame him for taking the money, but he is hurting our ability to win the big one by doing so.
@Pikes Peak posted:How did LA screw the Pack in the early seventies
I hope you are kidding with this.
@Goalline posted:I don't blame him for taking the money, but he is hurting our ability to win the big one by doing so.
Well, and for me, the reason why I thought a trade would be the best, is that we've had a SB caliber team around him for the last two seasons, HFA #1 seed, and we still haven't even been to the SB. I don't have a whole lot of confidence that we'll win the SB in the next 4 years he's here, and he's not getting any younger. I hope we do, but he's just not been clutch in the big games. Other teams with lesser QB's have won the SB, or at least have reached the SB. So is it really worth the money? That's my issue. I guess we'll see.