Aaron Rodgers traded to the NY Jets

@ammo posted:

You come to mini-camp and ALL the OTAs.  You help them learn the routes and how you want them run.  You help them build confidence and know how to play in a pro offense. Quit being a Rodgers ball washer and start holding him accountable for doing what is needed to be a team leader and the highest paid player.  If you are using up cap $$$$ so better guys can't be signed, then be here to help those you do have get better.

Plus, you teach the newbies the secret hand signals you demand them to know to be on the same page you operate on,

@Herschel posted:

What is he supposed to do, wipe their butts and read them bedtime stories? They don't even know the basics of playing in a pro offense yet, and Watson was hurt and not even participating in activities/drills. Your lead engineer is not best suited to be a tutor for guys in Freshman Physics.

Wipe their butts? If that’s what it takes. The whole point of off season workouts is to work on basics. The basics of figuring out what the QB wants them to do.

@The Grinder posted:

Plus, you teach the newbies the secret hand signals you demand them to know to be on the same page you operate on,

Rather than waiting until one week before the season starts and pissing and moaning that they haven’t got it yet. Duh!

@Herschel posted:

Because sharing a plate of nachos means they're more connected on the field, huh. Watson missed a bunch of offseason stuff, as well. The cap is also abstract, which has been proven time and again.

If you think OTAs and Mini Camp are nothing but sharing nachos it is easy to see why your draft takes are so full of shit.

@vitaflo posted:

Murphy offered Favre a $20m marketing deal with the Packers after he retired (before he decided to return instead and was shipped to the Jets).

It's certainly possible that Rodgers makes that $60m by retiring and signing a similar deal.  Meaning, the $60m in salary isn't really a reason for him to come back because there are probably other means in which he can get it.

Locker?

@Herschel posted:

What is he supposed to do, wipe their butts and read them bedtime stories? They don't even know the basics of playing in a pro offense yet, and Watson was hurt and not even participating in activities/drills. Your lead engineer is not best suited to be a tutor for guys in Freshman Physics.

It's not my job to mentor Jordan Love?

A couple of thoughts....

- Doug Peterson would have been interesting as a HC in GB.

-Collinsworth mini-me son can blow me.

Peterson is highly underrated, methinks. He won a SB with Nick Foles and he has Jacksonville playing really well.

@Tavis Smiley posted:

-Collinsworth mini-me son can blow me.

Nothing wrong with that

Wrong thread. Damn

@Tavis Smiley posted:

-Collinsworth mini-me son can blow me.

27 years old, never played college or pro football, and he’s the co-host of Football Night in America. I wonder how that happened.

Am I missing something?  I thought it was Garrets, little Simms and Maria Taylor tonight.

Young white guys all look the same

Just my opinion obviously.....I don't  think Rodgers mimics Favre's exit. Favre is a a piece of shit, redneck, human being. That's the truth. Prove me different.

While I do think 12 has all the ego in the world and then some, I think gets his place in history. He's a smart dude, obviously annoyingly some times, calculated, but by all accounts sincere.

I personally think this past season was his last in GB and maybe the league. On top of that I think he does what he can to make his exit as cap friendly as possible to GB.

Rodgers play on the field in the cold mimics Favres play on the field in the cold

@ammo posted:

If you think OTAs and Mini Camp are nothing but sharing nachos it is easy to see why your draft takes are so full of shit.

Again, the rookies aren't up to speed on a basic level of understanding a NFL offense or a number of basic techniques. They're not ready for a deep dive or "bonding" at that point.

@Tavis Smiley posted:

It's not my job to mentor Jordan Love?

Even though it's apples-to-oranges, it's not, though a lot of guys do at some point. ex: There's a QB coach, but Rodgers talking footwork with Love is directly applicable to their position and stuff they'll go over in position meetings. Rodgers talking footwork to receivers is nowhere near the same thing, nor is that the type of thing they spend a lot of time on in large group meetings.   

I think most of us played HS football at the most, so you romanticized what team bonding and the coaches room is like.

The pro experience is nothing like your frame of reference.   

1974. Milwaukee (Boys) Tech. Those lessons have stayed with me all these years. We didn’t give the black kids numbers we were so racist.

Which one are you Kiel?

The one without the number. 

@Herschel posted:

Again, the rookies aren't up to speed on a basic level of understanding a NFL offense or a number of basic techniques. They're not ready for a deep dive or "bonding" at that point.

And you think it is not important for the supposed leader of the team, the star player to help get those guys up to speed and have a basic level of understanding?  Just because Favre didn't help Rodgers doesn't mean he should do the same.   I think we have found the real reason the Packers have not been to a Super Bowl since the 2010 season.   At least if Rodgers thinks as you do.

@YooperPackfan posted:

Which one are you Kiel?

The good-looking one!

We realized if you don’t give the black kids numbers, they couldn’t pass you on the depth chart.

To me, the sign of a good leader is one that’s selfless and leads by example.  That used to be Rodgers before the last two MVPs.   Now?  He’s a lot more interested in doing podcasts and taking exotic vacations and rapid fire dating models and celebrities.

The shame of it is he’s so unlike Brent yet in the end he’s going to be compared to him more than not.  

@Herschel posted:

Again, the rookies aren't up to speed on a basic level of understanding a NFL offense or a number of basic techniques. They're not ready for a deep dive or "bonding" at that point.

Why do any veteran players show up then?  This is such a crazy take on this I'm at a loss for words. 

Because they have bonus clauses in their contracts dependent on showing up?

@Iowacheese posted:

Just need someone to fall in Love with Love.

For the Love of God

It appears to be a weak QB draft.

Take a flyer on Brock Purdy in R6

Smartest SOB on the board

Favre is a straight up sociopath--or less provoking, a person with little or no empathy. A whopping helping of that is the biology he was born with---though 30 years of being a coddled sports star didn't help. Rodgers isn't Leo  Buscaglia, but I don't see him as  a person that would screw over the disenfranchised of Mississippi. However, on the continuum of arrogance, he is right between Frank Zappa and Carlie Sheen. He seems to have a genuine interest in others and should have a pretty productive and meaningful post football life, if he has been lucky enough to avoid  CTE.

On the field though, he and Favre have had  similar declines..I think he could go elsewhere and  do okay, not unlike Favre. God Almighty I wish he would go...but he is not.. He is coming back for the 50 million plus and to break Favre's passing record....and that's too bad--the Packers will be better next year, but certainly not in the top 5 maybe not even top ten.....I wish we could move on...I'm really, really tired of him and his 2 playoff wins since 2017....blahhhh

@ammo posted:

And you think it is not important for the supposed leader of the team, the star player to help get those guys up to speed and have a basic level of understanding?  Just because Favre didn't help Rodgers doesn't mean he should do the same.   I think we have found the real reason the Packers have not been to a Super Bowl since the 2010 season.   At least if Rodgers thinks as you do.

No. This a professional environment and they have well-paid coaches and resources devoted to getting people up to speed. Quite frankly, Rodgers shouldn't be sticking his nose into other position groups' coaching and development. They should have a decent understanding of the concepts before they're ever "together".

Example: receivers should know generally what their route and read are and have techniques functional before a QB is anything more than an arm. Then they can work on making sure reads are correct and timing.

Heck, this is pretty much the way it works in D3 college, let alone the pros.

Hiring Clements back as QB coach is just not for AR, Jordan Love may be the one who benefits more.

@Iowacheese posted:

Smartest SOB on the board

You had SOB right.

@EC Pack posted:

The one without the number. 

I was going to say that but then I realized I wasn't busting someone's balls on Rube Shat

@Herschel posted:

No. This a professional environment and they have well-paid coaches and resources devoted to getting people up to speed. Quite frankly, Rodgers shouldn't be sticking his nose into other position groups' coaching and development. They should have a decent understanding of the concepts before they're ever "together".

Example: receivers should know generally what their route and read are and have techniques functional before a QB is anything more than an arm. Then they can work on making sure reads are correct and timing.

Heck, this is pretty much the way it works in D3 college, let alone the pros.

I'm sure I'm not alone when I say I am not a trainer or in management, but I have been at my job long enough that I have been asked to  help train every  new employee crazy enough to walk through our doors. It can be a hassle, but long term it makes my job easier, helps build relationships and it makes the place better and more tolerable--and I suck at it....several of the people I've trained have leapt pass me on the proverbial company ladder, which I take some weird pride in. My feeling is if you're the leader of a team and you're not helping your teammates...what the f*ck is wrong with you?

@Herschel posted:

No. This a professional environment and they have well-paid coaches and resources devoted to getting people up to speed. Quite frankly, Rodgers shouldn't be sticking his nose into other position groups' coaching and development. They should have a decent understanding of the concepts before they're ever "together".

Example: receivers should know generally what their route and read are and have techniques functional before a QB is anything more than an arm. Then they can work on making sure reads are correct and timing.

Heck, this is pretty much the way it works in D3 college, let alone the pros.

Everyone knows all QBs throw a different ball. Some have a "heavy" pass  while others have a light touch. Some throw with many more revolutions on the ball than others, even tho the speed may be the same.  Yet to you that makes no difference.   That is like expecting someone who has only driven a car with an auto  tranny and power brakes  to jump into a truck with a 9 speed tranny and a clutch and air brakes, yet drive it just like they would the car.

I would never ride in a car with a tranny.

It’s safer for my reputation.

@Blair Kiel posted:

1974. Milwaukee (Boys) Tech. Those lessons have stayed with me all these years. We didn’t give the black kids numbers we were so racist.

Looks like every Badger basketball team since…..forever

@Blair Kiel posted:

I would never ride in a car with a tranny.

It’s safer for my reputation.

Not even a Powerglide?

@Packiderm posted:

Not even a Powerglide?

More like Astro Glide.

Auto Jack!

@Johnson posted:

I'm sure I'm not alone when I say I am not a trainer or in management, but I have been at my job long enough that I have been asked to  help train every  new employee crazy enough to walk through our doors. It can be a hassle, but long term it makes my job easier, helps build relationships and it makes the place better and more tolerable--and I suck at it....several of the people I've trained have leapt pass me on the proverbial company ladder, which I take some weird pride in. My feeling is if you're the leader of a team and you're not helping your teammates...what the f*ck is wrong with you?

Firstly, that comparison is apples-to-anal probes, and not just because in the NFL they literally have multiple people on staff to train them as new players, and players in general. My cross training of other employees doesn't happen until they have core competencies, either. Until they have them, "Helping your teammates" isn't useful.

There's a reason teams bring in camp arms. When they're running drill-after-drill working on aspects, it's not as if your starting QB is going to sit there being a human jugs machine, and in drills where they're together it's a rotation of guys.

In other words: most teams have figured out having their older, veteran starting QB wearing his arm down so rookie receivers can work on their footwork is a bad idea. Brady hasn't done OTAs for years, either, for example. Derrick Henry didn't spend OTAs "helping" his new linemen learn how to set up blocks, either.