Saturday was bad, but TT's worst free agent signing was Marquand Manuel, easily. Adrian Klemm was pretty bad, too, but they were in salary cap hell that season (thanks, Sherman!), and weren't able to do much better.quote:Originally posted by titmfatied:
To play the devil's advocate here one of the centerpieces to last year's plan was Jeff Saturday. It nearly imploded the offense and subjected Rodgers to a boatload of hits. I understand not every move is going to work out for the best but that may well have been TT's single worst signing (especially considering Birk was still available at the time).
quote:Originally posted by titmfatied:
How they fill the center position is the single most important question of the off season. One thing you can't scheme around in football is the guy who snaps the ball.
Great call and we saw what happened last year... I also think part of it was all the change from OC >QB coach >QB > Center for an up-tempo offense that makes calls at the LOS. Just the mechanics of all that communication takes time to coalesce on game day and that's what makes finding the next Center so difficult.
Center is the pivot for the 2013 offense and while EDS knows what he's doing, I'm not yet convinced he can actually do it.
We'll soon find out what Thompson thinks
Rodgers has been endorsing EDS... Depends on how much input people think #12 has I guess....
quote:Originally posted by Pack-Man:Saturday was bad, but TT's worst free agent signing was Marquand Manuel, easily. Adrian Klemm was pretty bad, too, but they were in salary cap hell that season (thanks, Sherman!), and weren't able to do much better.quote:Originally posted by titmfatied:
To play the devil's advocate here one of the centerpieces to last year's plan was Jeff Saturday. It nearly imploded the offense and subjected Rodgers to a boatload of hits. I understand not every move is going to work out for the best but that may well have been TT's single worst signing (especially considering Birk was still available at the time).
the best part of tt's worst deals is that none were huge cap issue. easy to overcome and move on from.
quote:Originally posted by titmfatied:
To play the devil's advocate here one of the centerpieces to last year's plan was Jeff Saturday. It nearly imploded the offense and subjected Rodgers to a boatload of hits. I understand not every move is going to work out for the best but that may well have been TT's single worst signing (especially considering Birk was still available at the time).
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I think TT looks at Jennings as a nice addition to the offense if he can get him at the right price. Jones is the guy they like best in the long term in my opinion. He's turned himself into a younger version of Boldin and has the body type to last in the league. He'll always be able to block well and use his frame to create enough space for Rodgers to get him the ball. If Greg comes back it's the cherry on top and time for every dime back the Packers face to have trouble getting sleep at night.
Saturday not only didn't have the physical tools any more, he just couldn't get on the same page as Rodgers. At times Rodgers looked miffed at Saturday on the field, which was disconcerting.
I hope we do hang on to Jennings at the right price. Obviously TT had an inkling of Jennings' true value and is now willing to wait and see how low the bidding falls. Now that the price has been set by Welker and Amondala, we could see a couple other teams enter the bidding tomorrow at around $5 million a year for, say, three years. One thing's for sure: If Jennings leaves, most fans will be okay with that due to Jennings' saying goodbye almost at mid-season and Wisconsinites' propensity to keep their money in their wallets.
I'm still kind of gruff over last year. I don't like essentially wasting a prime year in a career of the guy who can be the best QB in football. Even worse they went backwards. EDS would have benefited from all of Saturday's snaps and they'd have a clearer understanding of his potential.quote:easy to overcome
quote:Originally posted by Pack-Man:Saturday was bad, but TT's worst free agent signing was Marquand Manuel, easily. Adrian Klemm was pretty bad, too, but they were in salary cap hell that season (thanks, Sherman!), and weren't able to do much better.quote:Originally posted by titmfatied:
To play the devil's advocate here one of the centerpieces to last year's plan was Jeff Saturday. It nearly imploded the offense and subjected Rodgers to a boatload of hits. I understand not every move is going to work out for the best but that may well have been TT's single worst signing (especially considering Birk was still available at the time).
Klemm and Manuel were nothing as far as cap dollars. Not to mention they were back up/roll players that TT was hoping would step up. They didn't. I never understood the upset over Klemm, he was a drop in the bucket.
Saturday was always known as a undersized guy that was smart and saavy in pass protection. He just completely lost steam and had a hard time adjusting to the Green Bay offense. He was a filler that didn't fill. He was a solid vet that just completely ran out of gas.
Center is incredibly important. I don't care if they decide Lang is the guy and they draft a guard. EDS is not a starter.
Yeah, it was pretty obvious that Satruday needed to be benched by about week 5 or so. Mike probably just keept hoping that a light would go on for him and that him and Rodgers would start clicking.
quote:Originally posted by titmfatied:I'm still kind of gruff over last year. I don't like essentially wasting a prime year in a career of the guy who can be the best QB in football. Even worse they went backwards. EDS would have benefited from all of Saturday's snaps and they'd have a clearer understanding of his potential.quote:easy to overcome
good point.
Good post titm it does seem like we wasted the least 2 years
1st year, young defense in development. 2nd year, injuries derailing that development. Them's the breaks. Now imagine all these guys staying healthy and building on the system.
This draft may be a big one for the defense. It may be the few pieces needed to take it to another level. Find stable play on the oline and a maturing defense and things could get real interesting.
This draft may be a big one for the defense. It may be the few pieces needed to take it to another level. Find stable play on the oline and a maturing defense and things could get real interesting.
Saturday was a miss. But GB did not lose last year because of Saturday/EDS.
Brady has wasted prime years since 2005. It's a bitch to win a Super Bowl.
Brady has wasted prime years since 2005. It's a bitch to win a Super Bowl.
I really want to quote the last 3 posts, but I can't.
So I won't.
All great points and all evidence why we should be excited about what we have been able to experience and what could come.
Imagine Gerg back, or add Sjax, or have Cobb blow up, Jones spread fear, Jordy explode, Green blossom, Harris grow a bit...
It really doesn't matter.
Under TT we reload, get coin to the core, let the rest realize they can become legends...
It is their choice whether or not they want to be part of the ride, or watching wishing they didn't go and look for cotton candy before appreciating the midway and their ride.
Legend.
One way to truly make it.
So I won't.
All great points and all evidence why we should be excited about what we have been able to experience and what could come.
Imagine Gerg back, or add Sjax, or have Cobb blow up, Jones spread fear, Jordy explode, Green blossom, Harris grow a bit...
It really doesn't matter.
Under TT we reload, get coin to the core, let the rest realize they can become legends...
It is their choice whether or not they want to be part of the ride, or watching wishing they didn't go and look for cotton candy before appreciating the midway and their ride.
Legend.
One way to truly make it.
If they can repeat what they did in the draft for the defense last year again this April, they will have a very good defense in 2013. In my gut, I pretty much knew before the season that one draft wasn't going to be enough to wash away all of the stink of that 2011 unit. If they get Steven Jackson and re-sign Jennings, then they basically have no excuse to not just go all defense (and probably toss in a pick for a center at some point) again this next draft.quote:Originally posted by Henry:
1st year, young defense in development. 2nd year, injuries derailing that development. Them's the breaks. Now imagine all these guys staying healthy and building on the system.
This draft may be a big one for the defense. It may be the few pieces needed to take it to another level. Find stable play on the oline and a maturing defense and things could get real interesting.
Wow. The posts on the last few pages are among the best I've seen on x4. Keep dealing truth, fellas!
Dang, I hate reading this....what does his sister think of the queens?? and read Charles Woodson is visiting SF too. I hate this time of year. 
I agree with the frustration of not taking more advantage (so far) of the prime of Rodgers' career. However, as someone said, I agree it wasn't Saturday that cost them. It's really been the defense. The two biggest factors are the loss of Nick Collins and the failure to get someone to complement CM3 on the pass rush. TT thought he had a superstar safety locked down for several more years in the prime of his career and we lost him on a fluke injury. That's impossible to plan for. The lack of a complimentary pass rusher is something that TT has been trying to take care of via the draft but it hasn't been fixed, perhaps because of injuries to Neal and Perry. Also, not keeping Jenkins after the Super Bowl win was probably TT's biggest miscalculation.
The problem GB has now is that the contracts for Rodgers, Matthews, and Raji are going to escalate. It's a huge advantage to have a potentially great QB for a cheap rate like SF or Seattle. The extra 10-20 million in cap space gives you a lot of flexibility. NE stopped winning Super Bowls when Brady got big money. It forced them to get rid of guys like Ruchard Seymour early.
The problem GB has now is that the contracts for Rodgers, Matthews, and Raji are going to escalate. It's a huge advantage to have a potentially great QB for a cheap rate like SF or Seattle. The extra 10-20 million in cap space gives you a lot of flexibility. NE stopped winning Super Bowls when Brady got big money. It forced them to get rid of guys like Ruchard Seymour early.
quote:Originally posted by turnip blood:
http://profootballtalk.nbcspor...isiting-the-vikings/
Jenning is visting the Queens.
Leverage.
Queens will waste money and cap space signing him.
He will play about 7 games before Sister Christian gets him killed.
Jennings best gig if he wants to win....have a legacy... and get a fair deal is to be a Packer.
He will play about 7 games before Sister Christian gets him killed.
Jennings best gig if he wants to win....have a legacy... and get a fair deal is to be a Packer.
quote:Originally posted by Satori:
The AZ cardinals are considering Brian Urlacher and given all the Chicago snowbirds in AZ, it got me to wondering...
If the Cards bring him in, will they sell enough Urlacher jerseys, merchandise and tickets to cover his $4 million salary ? If so, then it doesn't even matter if he can play or not, so long as the numbers work out
I would buy 3 in case I meet any Bore fans.
quote:Originally posted by Henry:
EDS is not a starter.
And he will not get paid accordingly. TT may have decided best player available already.
quote:Originally posted by Fandame: I'll take poker-face Ted any day rather than some of those knee-jerk reactors.
Signing a free agent in the first couple days does not need to be classified as "knee-jerk." The Pack has three areas of need, DL, LB and OL. And they have done zero about it while two teams, SF and SEA, have addressed needs.
One of those teams gave the Pack two beatdowns and another another beat them on a fluke and then later improved under a soon-to-be-great QB and advanced as far as the Pack in playoffs. And note, they weren't embarrassed in their loss.
In the last four years, the Pack has a title and 3 embarrassing playoff losses.
They also have the best QB in the game.
The BIG window is now and he should open up the pocketbook and address those needs.
"A goal without a plan is a wish."
quote:Originally posted by chickenboy:quote:Originally posted by Fandame: I'll take poker-face Ted any day rather than some of those knee-jerk reactors.
Signing a free agent in the first couple days does not need to be classified as "knee-jerk." The Pack has three areas of need, DL, LB and OL. And they have done zero about it while two teams, SF and SEA, have addressed needs.
One of those teams gave the Pack two beatdowns and another another beat them on a fluke and then later improved under a soon-to-be-great QB and advanced as far as the Pack in playoffs. And note, they weren't embarrassed in their loss.
In the last four years, the Pack has a title and 3 embarrassing playoff losses.
They also have the best QB in the game.
The BIG window is now and he should open up the pocketbook and address those needs.
Not saying all of them are, Chickenboy. Just saying you see some GMs who sign guys that don't fit or they overpay for what they get. They seem to do it hastily rather than being a poker player, holding their cards to their chests, and not blinking. Not only that, but I think you have to look ahead. We have to extend Rodgers, CMIII, and Raji. Two of the three are musts and are big payoffs. TT has to look ahead to next year and save some dough. Or would you rather buy now and let one of them walk?
I don't see a lot of 3-4 DL guys out there, nor good 3-4 LBs. A couple OL guys have come and gone, but overall I see this as a pretty weak free agent class. I think TT will make a move somewhere, and it may even come today after the shininess is off and the market relaxes. There was a report he made an offer on the CB from Miami, so he's not totally out of it.
EDIT: Those were for
who posted his undying love for chikky, then deleted it. (you can't delete love you silly troll!)I was getting kinda worried that the Packers had lost yesterday since he was here in the first place.
quote:Originally posted by turnip blood:
http://profootballtalk.nbcspor...isiting-the-vikings/
Jenning is visting the Queens.
Don't sweat it. GJ is simply going through the FA process to exhaust all avenues & see how much he can get.
I highly doubt he'll take $10 mill from the Vikings when being offered the same from Green Bay
Vikings would really need to overpay for GJ to get him to leap
If Jennings does end up in Minny, I'd like to see GB look at some D players in FA. It's a pretty good market this season on defense
Do you think TT would've brought in Reggie White. I say no. Ya gotta get 'er done when the window is open.
I've heard Greg Jennings wife really loves the weather in the twin cities
quote:Originally posted by lovepack:
Do you think TT would've brought in Reggie White. I say no. Ya gotta get 'er done when the window is open.
He brought in Charles Woodson, who is pretty clearly the teams 2nd best FA pickup behind Reggie and had a similar impact
but ok, whatever you say
quote:Originally posted by El-Ka-Bong:
I've heard Greg Jennings wife really loves the weather in the twin cities
Yes, but what does Gerg's sister think?
quote:Reports surfaced earlier in the offseason that the 36-year-old McClure was planning to call it quits, and on Wednesday night McClure took to Twitter to announce that he has officially made up his mind: His career is over.
McClure has become a very reliable player since arriving in Atlanta as a seventh-round draft pick in 1999. Although he suffered a torn ACL that cost him his entire rookie season, he entered the starting lineup in 2000 and hasn’t left it: In the last 12 years McClure has missed just four starts. McClure was also voted a team captain, and his leadership will be tough to replace.
Atlanta's center retires. Now who's in a panic?
Didn't they just draft Pete Konz? I think they were prepared.
quote:Cris Carter ✔ @criscarter80
The Vikings have a great legacy with wr, lets start rebuilding today with @GregJennings ... Then we draft at least 2 wrs @ESPNNFL ... #vikes
I must admit, it was kind of painful listening to the KFAN crew openly wooing Jennings this morning.
quote:Originally posted by Fandame:quote:Originally posted by turnip blood:
http://profootballtalk.nbcspor...isiting-the-vikings/
Jenning is visting the Queens.
Leverage.
true, but I wonder how this sits with Ted. Seems like a guy who doesnt play these games. Im wondering if Greg doing the song and dance with the Queens like Bert
will sit well with him. Maybe TT says fk it, Im not doing this
I don't think it will piss Ted off. I get the impression Ted makes an offer and there isn't much wiggle room. He's not going to panic or change his offer just because the player pressures him with going elsewhere.
I think Jennings is looking for the best deal...just checking out his options. He has the SB ring, he's had a lot of success, now he wants to squeeze as much money out of the NFL as possible. I have a hunch he will re-sign with GB unless Minnesota blows their wad to get him. If the money is the same, GB is the best fit overall.
I think Jennings is looking for the best deal...just checking out his options. He has the SB ring, he's had a lot of success, now he wants to squeeze as much money out of the NFL as possible. I have a hunch he will re-sign with GB unless Minnesota blows their wad to get him. If the money is the same, GB is the best fit overall.
Vikings as much as I hate them have made some good moves lately. They fleeced the Browns last year in the draft. They still don't have the overall talent to compete with Green Bay but they are not a ship without a rutter like they have been. They could alo be playing gamesmanship with Green Bay. They know if they offer Jennings the same thing that Green Bay does then Jennings will probably stay in Green Bay. But that could also inflate the contract so that it makes it more difficult with the cap issues.
I hope the games play out with Jennings back in Green and Gold. Ted won't have to spend a high draft choice on a WR if Jennings comes back.
I hope the games play out with Jennings back in Green and Gold. Ted won't have to spend a high draft choice on a WR if Jennings comes back.
