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It's always been my opinion that there are two types of college football stars.

 

Ones that get to the NFL and, for possibly the first time in their lives, get their asses handed to them and don't have the mental makeup to respond.  

 

And,

 

Ones that get to the NFL and, for possibly the first time in their lives, get their asses handed to them and aren't afraid of the huge work load ahead.  

 

I put Worthy in the first camp. 

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Hate seeing this shi* this early into a season:

 

Star Lotulelei carted off at Panthers practice

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The start of training camp is a good time in the football calendar because it draws us closer to meaningful games after months without the game, but the increased tempo and intensity of practices also creates an added risk of injuries that leads to players being carted off the field during workouts.

That’s what happened at Panthers practice on Monday. Defensive tackle Star Lotulelei needed the cart’s help to return to the locker room after going down during a drill.

 

Steve Reed of the Associated Press reports that Lotulelei limped off the field at the end of a play and received medical attention from trainers before riding off the field with his right foot wrapped in ice. Coach Ron Rivera said, via the team, only that Lotulelei’s foot is sore.

 

Lotulelei broke a bone in his foot in practice during the playoffs last year and any absence during the season would be a blow to a Panthers defense that relies on Lotulelei and fellow 2013 draft pick Kawann Short to control things in the middle of their defensive line.

Originally Posted by Dr._Bob:

It's a head scratcher to me why defensive linemen are such a crap shoot when drafting. 

The Dline is so different from other spots. You have a player in the offensive line dedicated to stopping you with his strength but beating him means nothing. You then have to defeat the ball carrier, who is smaller and faster.

 

I was watching the ESPN Cowboy slurpfest tonight but focused on the pass rushing drills. The D-line gets punched, cut, slapped, shoved, grabbed and abused every conceivable way- They have to ignore it because the QB is the target. If they spend any time to even notice the O-line, they've missed their opportunity.

 

It takes an unusual personality to deal with that sort of abuse without either withdrawing or retaliating. Suh retaliates; many guys withdraw.

Big, strong ,fast and sensitive doesn't cut it.

really good insight grignon. I'll add a couple more from things I've read over the years

 

1st, you have the Planet Theory which says there are a finite number of immense humans beings who are athletic and can actually move. Ergo, they all get over-drafted

 

Next you have the fact that they've succeeded all their lives simply by being HUGE

They never learned or honed their craft because they didn't have to...When they get to the NFL, they are suddenly in bizarro - world where everybody is as huge as they are -  but they haven't developed a work ethic and they don't even know how to study

 

Then we get to the issue of technique: hand placement, footwork, adding new moves, setting up the OL etc. That's a huge leap for a big man who won just by being... big

 

All of these conspire to separate the wheat from the chaff and they've been wheat their whole lives. And the tough part is that the draft is a game of projection

 

How will this 350 lb dude react to getting his ass kicked ? How hard will a 325 lb dude work ? How will they respond to the new situation ?

 

I read a fascinating article that talked about 40 yard dash times for DL. Most would say its a completely useless stat for Big Men. And I agreed. But, they laid out a very compelling case that sprint times = leg strength and leg strength= talented DL.

Some teams don't really know what to look for and 40 times are typically tossed out in DL evaluations. That's part of the high failure rate on draft day

 

There are also issues of maturity - not only mental but physical as well. These guys haven't matured athletically yet, so again its a game of projection. Some of them are still doughboys until they hit 23-25 years old. But they are drafted @ 21 yrs old

 

And to add to grignon's point above - the vast majority of what a DL does is considered "failure"

If they play 600 snaps and 330 pass rushes and get 10 sacks and 20 hurries, that's still only a puniferous success rate. Less than 10%.

 

So you're taking a guy who is/was the best player on the field for his entire grade school, high school and college career and tossing him into a world of massive failure. Some rise to the occasion, many don't. Worthy won with a quick first step, often because he could guess a college QBs' cadence. When he got to the NFL, the cerebral QBs killed him & his first step... and now he's on his 4th team. Oops. 

 

That's the Planet Theory in action: GB, NE and KC all gave up on him, but Det was willing to take a chance because there just aren't many other choices available

 

Some fans want to rip on TT for his DL picks, but the truth is, finding those guys is really, really hard. And developing them is even harder.

If you re-drafted, where would Mike Daniels be picked ? Certainly not at the end of the 4th round after being passed over 100 times.

And would the pundits rip TT for drafting a "4-3 DT" on a 3-4 team ? Probably not.

 

The more we learn about this game, the more we realize: We don't know squat.

And drafting DL is just one more example of how tough it is even for pro's like Thompson to get it right on draft day. Elliott Wolf joked about it when somebody stroked him about how smart they were for identifying Daniels in the 4th

 

He said: If we knew what the hell we were doing we'd have taken him in the 2nd

The best trait a defensive lineman can have is to have an unbalanced desire to cause genuine disruption. It's a really hard skill to learn if your MO is penetration. Film will tell offenses you will create a hole on your own. And they are happy to oblige you. 

 

One of my favorite DLineman the last 15 years was Richard Seymor. He played 4-3 and 3-4 and every position. RDE, RDT, NT, LDT, and LDE. He finished his career with 57 sacks never notching more than 8 in a season. 300 plus tackles. He could have easily doubled his sack total but he made a living reading blocking schemes on runs and taking lanes away as well as anyone I've ever seen. He loved disruption. His DL IQ was off the charts. Read the play then **** up the scheme. He rarely ran himself out of a play. 

 

Patient, smart, quick and disruptive won't land you on a lot of FA radars. Sacks and tackles are secondary byproducts of a deep seeded unselfish desire of ****ing up what offenses want to do. But those guys are defensive gold. And damn near never come around. Everything you should do is predicated on trust of 10 guys. 

 

First line of defense. Defined as a barrier to invasion with imminent fortification. 

 

Its why Hawk and Jones are gone and may explain why Daniels carried such a high anger level. 

 

 

 

Draft day isn't so much about failing as figuring out where the other 31 teams have players slotted.

Eliot is crazy like a fox. You can tell he's learned well from his father & TT. Why draft Mike Daniels in the 2nd or Tom Brady in the 1st when you can get those players in the 4th & 6th?

Re: Richard Seymour. I thought he'd be a huge bust. Such as life in the crap shoot known as the NFL Draft.

Check this out. Karma.

Aldon Smith restructures 2015 contract with Niners

By Kevin Patra
Around the NFL writer
Updated: March 6, 2015 at 12:23 p.m.

Aldon Smith's $9.75 million salary was set to become fully guaranteed on Tuesday. Instead, the San Francisco 49ers linebacker restructured his deal.

NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported on Thursday that Smith converted the guarantee into monthly roster bonuses beginning in April, according to a source who has seen the deal. He is willing to bet on himself and earn the salary as he goes.

Under the old deal, his pay would have come during the season. Now, his first payment comes much sooner. It's a one-year deal, which both sides hope will turn into an extension, per Rapoport. Smith is set to become a free agent after the 2015 season.

The specific reason for the restructure remains unclear, but it would allow the 49ers to cut the linebacker at any point and save cash...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/...contract-with-niners

 

More details here.

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If you were to sit down with 5 or 6 people and try to create the worst possible off season a professional sports team could ever have. You'd be hard pressed to think the offseason the 49ers have had is actually possible. 

 

Holy balls has this been the darkest 5 months I've ever seen a pro team go through. And on top of retirements, arrests, Harbaugh, stammering cavemen, losing players to free agency, trading the best punter in football for a 7th round pick, starting RT thinking he wants to sit out a year and figure things out... on top of all that they can't play in their brand new billion dollar stadium because the grass isn't safe to play on. 

 

Too bad the last standing stairwells at Candlestick met the wrecking ball a few weeks back. Moving back might not have been a bad idea. 

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