Well, yes, he had a clean pocket. Bad scheme on the part of the DC since he also brought very little pressure to make the backs stay home. But on the other hand, I did see Jones totally stand up someone on a rush...
Sanu to the Pats for a 2nd rounder
Atlanta might as well go full tank mode they have some talent but are in cap hell and need to retool.
Vic Beasley supposedly on the block as well.
Amazing how in about a 3 year period the Falcons went from contender to pretender.
That choke job in the Super Bowl.They're done.
Ryan is hurt now too. I'll bet Julio is thrilled with these developments.
Sanu for a 2nd rounder?!?!? Good God, Belichick must be desperate. He isn't worth that much.
Boris, you are right he isn't worth a 2nd rounder but, you know that as soon as he gets to NE Sanu will immediately put up crazy numbers.
Since Belichick is the GOAT coach and GM Sanu must be worth a 2nd. Why question the GOAT? He's got the rings to prove it.
Thing is they probably don't even need him. BB is hell bent on torching the league this year. He may have acquired him just to cut him. Because he's bored.
Narrative if another team: "Way too much for Sanu!"
— Andrew Brandt (@AndrewBrandt) October 22, 2019
Narrative since it's Patriots: "Brilliant!"#perspective
Brandt nails it.
Haha....maybe. But if it was Green Bay that gave up a 2nd rounder -- I wouldn't have been happy.
Hell, I wouldn't have been happy if it was AJ Green for a 2nd rounder. It's too much. Even if it is a late 2nd.
Sanu is playing well this year. 33 catches over 7 games.
Why trade for Sanders, Erickson, Green or any other WR when we are just finding out what our own young WRs can do? Why give up a draft pick for a "veteran" WR, who might play here for a season, or two, when we may have who we need in GB, right now? I'm with Nagler on this. Give our young WRs some playing time and they will rise to the occasion--especially if ARod can continue playing like he did against the Raiders. ESB is still on IR and has not had a chance to contribute to our team, yet this season. He, IMO, will be a threat for us every time he is on the field. Give him and the rest of our WRs a chance! GO PACK, GO!!!
Is Sanu not the "safest" option that's been talked about as being "available?"
GB has won 3 straight without Adams and the offense has steadily increased in passing yards, total offense, and points. Until that changes, there is no reason to make any significant trade offer, especially one that costs a day 1 pick.
In the above scenario, this is where Gutenheimer is much like Ted.
The Packers face a beatable KC team with a very average QB and a LA Chargers team that's playing terrible right now. Then the bye week.
Adams is back somewhere in there, and even if they hold him out until after the bye, the Packers have a real chance to be sitting at 8-1.
Because no one other than MVS (maybe not even him) is a #2 receiver right now and won't be by time the post season rolls around. If we have a real shot at the bowl this year I would think you should do whatever you can to make it happen.
OAK has a horrible pass D. We'll see how the WR's handle better defenses coming up.
That said, one of the advantages of the offense MLF was hired to install is that it schemes guys open via play design and sequence, negating the necessity of elite receivers. Maybe. Just maybe the talent we currently have is adequate under that system. It would certainly still benefit from a legit #2 like Sanu.
MVS looking more and more like a #2 to me. All-Pro #1Adams on the verge of returning.
Marques Valdes-Scantling 🙌🏽
— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) October 21, 2019
23 Career Games.
🔹15 Catches of 20+ yards
🔹9 Catches of 40+ yards
🔹3 DPIs - 33yds, 26yds, 39yds
🔹1 Run of 20+ yards
And improving in releases/quick game route running (speed cuts, slants, stems, etc). Keep grinding - sky's the limit! @MVS__11
Sanu is a really good player who would look nice in Green and Gold- just not for a second rounder.
For the past week my son has been telling me Sanu was going to be traded and that he’d be a good fit in GB behind Adams as a #2. I was coming around on the idea. But a #2 pick for Sanu is complete insanity. And if that’s the market for WRs at the deadline then GB should ride with what they have.
The Pats second is not really a second. It's basically a third because they're usually picking at the end of the round. And BB will just trade down in the first to pick up additional seconds, thirds, etc. Say what you want about BB and the Pats, but he has a knack for finding players in every round and building a roster every year.
Sanu is signed through next year. Cap friendly this year next year he’s set to make almost 7MM. That’s not looking like such a good deal and I think he’s a very solid #2 receiver.
Sanu is in year 8. Playing with a QB up until this year was well above average. Across from one of the best WRs in the NFL.
Hes never sniffed 1,000 yards or double digit TDs in a season. Ever.
There is no possible way you give up anything above a 5th round pick for Sanu. If you give up a 2nd pick for a WR in the NFL with 8 years of experience it’s kind of important you see a lot more production.
PackLandVA posted:The Pats second is not really a second. It's basically a third because they're usually picking at the end of the round. And BB will just trade down in the first to pick up additional seconds, thirds, etc. Say what you want about BB and the Pats, but he has a knack for finding players in every round and building a roster every year.
That sums it up pretty well. A good move for the Pats, maybe not the Pack. The beauty of MLF's offense is that it seems to not be overly dependent on any one player at a particular position. If the Packers decide to make a move before the deadline, they might benefit more from a someone that could strengthen the LB positions. This offense is going to score points. Now they need to slow down the opposition.
packerboi posted:GB has won 3 straight without Adams and the offense has steadily increased in passing yards, total offense, and points. Until that changes, there is no reason to make any significant trade offer, especially one that costs a day 1 pick.
In the above scenario, this is where Gutenheimer is much like Ted.
The Packers face a beatable KC team with a very average QB and a LA Chargers team that's playing terrible right now. Then the bye week.
Adams is back somewhere in there, and even if they hold him out until after the bye, the Packers have a real chance to be sitting at 8-1.
You forgot Carolina before the bye week.
If they do anything mark me down for preferring help on D at ILB. I have no desire whatsoever in taking my chances having to get into shootouts with good offensive teams which is where things seem to be headed based on the games I’ve seen. Getting Savage back will help, but I don’t think it will be enough.
I concur on ILB and think the Dolphins have someone we can use.
I expect the 49ers to end up with Emmanuel Sanders in the next week. Were very much in on Sanu. Really want to add a pass catcher.
— Jason La Canfora (@JasonLaCanfora) October 22, 2019
Agree with the ILB route. Instead of diving into the overpriced market, look for value at ILB.
... or another DT to keep the LB's clean. Clark has faded a little bit the past couple games. Lowry had a great game against DET but hasn't been great against the run besides that. Adams has been disappointing and Lancaster is no bueno.
A cheap fix might be to get a another legit big body to pair with Clark and Lowry. This keeps Martinez, Goodson and Burks free to fill holes. Or possible even the freedom to put Amos back in the box instead of Goodson in an attempt to improve coverage.
ChilliJon posted:For the past week my son has been telling me Sanu was going to be traded and that he’d be a good fit in GB behind Adams as a #2. I was coming around on the idea. But a #2 pick for Sanu is complete insanity. And if that’s the market for WRs at the deadline then GB should ride with what they have.
Agreed. That deal just upped any prospective price on guys like Green or Sanders. I am starting to think that if any deals are made, it should be for the middle of the defense....possibly a Howard Green type addition. Outside of Clark and Lowry, the D-line is nothing to shout about, and an injury to Martinez would be very costly as we have no depth there, let alone a second high level inside LB.
when did the NFL go all trade crazy? more trades this year than probably the past five years combined. And all for high draft choices.
RochNyFan posted:ChilliJon posted:For the past week my son has been telling me Sanu was going to be traded and that he’d be a good fit in GB behind Adams as a #2. I was coming around on the idea. But a #2 pick for Sanu is complete insanity. And if that’s the market for WRs at the deadline then GB should ride with what they have.
Agreed. That deal just upped any prospective price on guys like Green or Sanders. I am starting to think that if any deals are made, it should be for the middle of the defense....possibly a Howard Green type addition. Outside of Clark and Lowry, the D-line is nothing to shout about, and an injury to Martinez would be very costly as we have no depth there, let alone a second high level inside LB.
An injury to Martinez is going to improve the defense the same way Nick Barnetts did in 2010. WTF have you been watching? Martinez is leading the NFL in tackles. Which is the most fucked up stat Ive ever seen. I'm willing to bet 85% of Martinez' tackles are 5 yards downfield. He's a homeless mans version of Hawk. Martinez was a complete nightmare shit show Sunday.
Chilli, I agree with you but I say a stat on twitter yesterday that said "of the 16 tackles that Martinez had against OAK, 10 of them were within 4 yards of the LOS.
I don't think that is typical of him, but just wanted to share that he had a good week last week. I'd like to see that more consistently and I'd like to also see the occasional pass breakup from the ILB. Dude is the best ever at letting a RB or TE catch the ball in front of him and then making the tackle. A proactive hand in to break up a pass once in a while would go a long freakin way.
Martinez is the absolute definition of "just a guy" at ILB. I played ILB in HS and college. My son plays LB in HS. We both watched Martinez Sunday jog downfield with a TE seam pattern that had over coverage and Blake never once looked back at a shallow cross that went for 25 yards and both of us said Martinez has zero awareness in coverage. He's just not good.
The best Hawk ever looked was when Bishop was next to him. The best Martinez will look is with a capable LB next to him. On his own it's never going to work out.
Clark has regressed? He's hurt. Calf & Shin. Yeah he's a tough guy & has been gutting it out in case you missed him coming out then back in the game vs. Choakland. But he's not 100%.
I really hope the Patriots crash and burn, somehow, some way.
Clark has been less than great since before the injury vs OAK. Maybe since WK01. He draws a lot of attention but he was still able to make plays last year and early this year. Could be playing injured or his fellow DL isn't helping.
ChilliJon posted:RochNyFan posted:ChilliJon posted:For the past week my son has been telling me Sanu was going to be traded and that he’d be a good fit in GB behind Adams as a #2. I was coming around on the idea. But a #2 pick for Sanu is complete insanity. And if that’s the market for WRs at the deadline then GB should ride with what they have.
Agreed. That deal just upped any prospective price on guys like Green or Sanders. I am starting to think that if any deals are made, it should be for the middle of the defense....possibly a Howard Green type addition. Outside of Clark and Lowry, the D-line is nothing to shout about, and an injury to Martinez would be very costly as we have no depth there, let alone a second high level inside LB.
An injury to Martinez is going to improve the defense the same way Nick Barnetts did in 2010. WTF have you been watching? Martinez is leading the NFL in tackles. Which is the most fucked up stat Ive ever seen. I'm willing to bet 85% of Martinez' tackles are 5 yards downfield. He's a homeless mans version of Hawk. Martinez was a complete nightmare shit show Sunday.
Who the fuck steps in if Martinez is hurt? I didn't realize they have a plethora of inside linebackers sitting on the bench waiting to be a star.
ILB may be the toughest position to find a guy to play in the NFL for all 3 downs. You have to be big enough to fend off 350 pound guards in the run game, fast enough to run with guys like Vernon Davis or Travis Kelce down the seam, and quick enough to challenge RBs when you get matched up with them on check downs. The problem is that guys with that type of athleticism aren't put at ILB in college. You usually end up with guys that are great at playing the run or the pass but are vulnerable against the other, or you end up with a guy that's mediocre against both but not a total liability against either. There aren't that many Urlachers out there.
I know Martinez isn't a superstar, but probably only 8-10 teams have a guy that's vastly superior. Martinez is probably middle of the pack at that position. The guys that standout are Kuechly, Wagner, and Mosley. Those guys (Wagner and Mosley) make 17-18 million a year.
Of Blake Martinez's 16 combined tackles, 10 were 4 yards or more downfield.
— Zach Kruse (@zachkruse2) October 21, 2019
There's the stats on Martinez.