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It's funny that not using a first round pick on an offensive weapon is all of sudden "they're not going for a Super Bowl".  That's all I'm hearing today, is that this a slap in the face to Rodgers b/c he needs weapons.  Packers have drafted 1 RB, 1 WR and 1 TE in the first round in the last 30 years - Darrell Thompson, Javon Walker, and Bubba Franks.  No Super Bowls between them.  Not their fault but fact is the Packers have won two Super Bowls without a first round offensive weapon.  So why is it that they absolutely had to draft an offensive weapon in the first to "go for it"?  

That said, I would have rather a LB or OL.  But the idea it had to be a WR is ridiculous.  

@CUPackFan posted:

  Not their fault but fact is the Packers have won two Super Bowls without a first round offensive weapon. 

Actually, the 96' Packers featured three 1st round picks, Desmond Howard (4th overall), Keith Jackson (13th overall), and Andre Rison (22nd overall), as well as a QB for whom the team traded a 1st round pick to obtain.

It is true that the Packers did not select any of these offensive weapons with their own 1st round picks.

@Packdog posted:

It is funny, cause a QB is kind of "an offensive weapon"  

So I guess the Packers did draft an offensive weapon in the first then......Rodgers should be happy!!

And good call on the other three WR/TEs tat were first rounders.  But that kind of makes my point - these guys can be had in free agency and trades without having to draft in the first.  Better to let another draft them in the first then you get them later.  

@michiganjoe posted:

Complete coaching staff change for Love in '19 and the team lost nine of eleven offensive starters. Pretty good breakdown of both his strengths and weaknesses...

Finally got around to watching this.  It's a very good breakdown.  One thing is for sure, he has a hell of an arm.  Those deep balls he throws are pretty.  He also has a bit of Rodgers in him with his off-the-back-foot throws and catching the defense in presnap substitutions.

He actually seems to go through real progressions unlike a lot of college QB's.  That 3 progression read on a 3 step drop was pro level.

It's also obvious he has some more to learn. Rodgers is the perfect guy for him to watch, as they seem to have similar styles.  I don't think a team drafting him to start right away would be wise, but he seems to be the complete package if he can grow into the position.

As for all the INT's, even Rodgers had 13 INT's his first season as a starter, after 3 years sitting on the bench.  Even the great ones can start off slow.

I thought teams got until year 4 to decide on the 5th year option...apparently not. After Rodgers final year on his contract GB will have to decide on Loveโ€™s $21M 5th year option! Did GB pick one year too early? This could be a really dicey situation if they take that 5th year and he absolutely blows in year 4. HUGE gamble here, that changes a lot about taking a QB for me. Not sure of the wisdom here. 

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I thought teams got until year 4 to decide on the 5th year option...apparently not. After Rodgers final year on his contract GB will have to decide on Loveโ€™s $21M 5th year option! Did GB pick one year too early? This could be a really dicey situation if they take that 5th year and he absolutely blows in year 4. HUGE gamble here, that changes a lot about taking a QB for me. Not sure of the wisdom here. 

Which tells you that Rodgers will be a Packer for at most 2 more years. And, if that's really the case...

He HAS to play in the 3rd year to know what you have for the exact reason Kirwan pointed out.  You can't wait to let him play in year 4 for the first time and realistically make a call on the next deal.  

Rodgers has at most 2 more years. And I'll say it again with all seriousness, if that's really the case, then you trade him now for as many draft picks as you can get. You go with Boyle/Love in 20, hope to get a top 3 pick, mabye you get #1 and you can decide to take Trevor Lawrence, or sell it for a King's Ransom

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For Lawrence or Fields - of course not. The others? Maybe? But, definitely in range that a trade up is well within reason. 

And I get your point is that you think Love is better than anything they could have realistically gotten next year. You might be right. He's definitely got a lot of people thinking he's a high reward type guy. I personally don't see Love as being this franchise type QB. His game has Jay Cutler written all over it to me. Big arm, has the physical tools, looks the part, but makes mistakes over and over. 

And, I still wonder - if GB wants to move to this Titan/Niner run heavy scheme that doesn't look to sling the ball over the place, wouldn't a Jacob Eason/Jake Fromm be a better fit for that?  Both make good decisions, get the ball out quickly, and stay within the rhythm of the offense. Neither has the arm strength scouts love, but they played pretty damn well against some the best competition in the NCAA. 

But, Love is the guy and has 2 years to fix that stuff. I hope he does, as he will almost certainly be starting for the Packers in Sept of 2022...

Now that the dust has settled, I am grateful to have Love on the team and I am over my initial shock and disappointment with the pick.  He has some things that you can't teach, but he is going to need plenty of reps and teaching to fix some of the things that went wrong with him last year. 

I just hope that Rodgers can stay healthy these next 2 seasons.  I suspect Love is going to need a lot of work and study the next 2 years to figure out the NFL. He was at what coach Gary Anderson called "A High School level" of passing sophistication compared to what he'll be required to do with the Pack. 

When listening to Anderson talk about him, he raved about his physical skills, attitude, and competitiveness but felt he was going to need an adjustment period in the NFL before he was ready from a scheme comfort standpoint.  Not a huge shock, but Anderson also said he was the most physically gifted QB he had ever been around.  Take that with a grain of salt though as the only guy Anderson was around who became a solid NFL QB was Alex Smith. 

Yes....would be interested to hear any info because on Friday, the Colts FO fed Ian Rap a bunch of horseshit "they never tried to trade up with Seattle"

Yet they drafted Eason in round 4.

Riiiiiiiiiiigghhtt......and I'm Cyndi Lauper 

In the business that's what we call -- Damage Control because another team beat them to their guy & if they say ANYTHING about another teams player (Love is now a Packer), they'll get fined.

Peter King reporting that the Packers had "significant intel" that a team was moving up for Love so they did it first (also reporting they tried to move up for a WR in the second). 

Edit: Here's a piece about it.

According to Peter King of NBC Sports, the Packers had โ€œsignificant intelโ€ that a team picking early in the second round โ€“ King guesses the Indianapolis Colts โ€“ were attempting to trade up into the first round and get Love. The Packers blocked the attempt, executing a trade with the Miami Dolphins for the 26th pick, where they happily took Love.

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Here's a look at the scores of the 12 quarterbacks who took the Wonderlic in 2020:  

Nate Stanley (Iowa): 40
Jake Fromm (Georgia); 35
Joe Burrow (LSU): 34
Jake Luton (Oregon State): 29
Jordan Love (Utah State): 27
Justin Herbert (Oregon): 25
Anthony Gordon (Washington State): 25
Brian Lewerke (Michigan State): 25 
Jacob Eason (Washington): 23
James Morgan (Florida International): 23
Jalen Hurts (Oklahoma): 18
Tua Tagovailoa (Alabama): 13

interesting eh??    

@michiganjoe posted:

Peter King reporting that the Packers had "significant intel" that a team was moving up for Love so they did it first (also reporting they tried to move up for a WR in the second). 

Edit: Here's a piece about it.

According to Peter King of NBC Sports, the Packers had โ€œsignificant intelโ€ that a team picking early in the second round โ€“ King guesses the Indianapolis Colts โ€“ were attempting to trade up into the first round and get Love. The Packers blocked the attempt, executing a trade with the Miami Dolphins for the 26th pick, where they happily took Love.

From the same article:

One last note: Gutekunst said the Packers had two receivers they were targeting in early and middle part of the second round. They tried to move up with several teams, he said, until the second receiver they preferred got picked, and then they stopped. Seven wideouts went in the first 27 picks of the second round; Green Bay, with the 62nd overall pick, took running back A.J. Dillon. Not good. As much as the draft pick itself, the price for Love included not addressing that big need at receiver. Weโ€™ll see if that comes back to haunt the team this year or next.

It sounds like he DOES see WR as a need, but after their immediate impact guys were gone they didn't feel it would make a difference to take a WR. I don't think he's wrong either, after the first ~10 WRs in this draft, I don't think there's anyone who would help GB in 2020 (which is what everyone wants). I think this is why we see a UFA investment in WR prior to game 1.

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