@Boris posted:
Lotta good times with our last 2 QB's. Some heartbreaking tough losses too.
Still got 2 chips.
Looking for #14 now
I personally don't give a rat's ass if #4 and #12 were world class d'bags they gave us some great games. For a good part of my life getting that kind of QB play was not even in my wildest dreams to happen even once not twice.
@PackerRick posted:The real question is which X4 member is going to confess to the crime and take the fall for Rodgers.
Cris Carter.
Every time Y.A. likes a post, Jesus peels the wings off of a public school child’s shoulders:
@The Heckler posted:I personally don't give a rat's ass if #4 and #12 were world class d'bags they gave us some great games. For a good part of my life getting that kind of QB play was not even in my wildest dreams to happen even once not twice.
That's true from a football aspect but when Favre is under investigation for welfare fraud how do you tell someone that doesn't have 2 nickels to rub together he's a great guy? Or Rodgers lying about vaccination? These guys will never be ambassadors for the organization like Starr was.
A lot of people hate Ryan Braun for lying about steroids. What's the difference?
"I'm immunized"😆🤣
@PackerRick posted:That's true from a football aspect but when Favre is under investigation for welfare fraud how do you tell someone that doesn't have 2 nickels to rub together he's a great guy? Or Rodgers lying about vaccination? These guys will never be ambassadors for the organization like Starr was.
A lot of people hate Ryan Braun for lying about steroids. What's the difference?
Rodgers is a bit annoying but Favre truly is a world class scumbag. Can't stand the guy.
You mean using welfare money to build a volleyball court for the school his daughter goes to, isn't allowed?!?!?
Pssshaw...... What's this world coming to?!?!?
@Blair Kiel posted:Every time Y.A. likes a post, Jesus peels the wings off of a public school child’s shoulders:
I’m retired
@PackerRick posted:That's true from a football aspect but when Favre is under investigation for welfare fraud how do you tell someone that doesn't have 2 nickels to rub together he's a great guy? Or Rodgers lying about vaccination? These guys will never be ambassadors for the organization like Starr was.
A lot of people hate Ryan Braun for lying about steroids. What's the difference?
Yes my post was meant from purely a football aspect. Favre was one of the players who made it fun to be a Packers fan something I hadn't experienced in my lifetime at that point. Is he a shitty person? I have never thought he was a good person.
Oh trust me I do not think Favre or Rodgers are nothing remotely close to what Starr was as a person, who was a great ambassador for the Packers organization, and Starr was genuinely a model human being. Very very few of us in this world can even dream of being as good of a person as he was.
As for Favre I find it disgusting for what Favre has done in MS and as a MLB fan I strongly dislike the players who cheated the game like Braun did. Not everyone feels that way about the steroids and MLB but we all have the rights to have different opinions.
@YATittle posted:I’m retired
Is getting money for doing nothing going to be much of an adjustment?
@PackerRick posted:The real question is which X4 member is going to confess to the crime and take the fall for Rodgers.
Sarge.
@The Heckler posted:I personally don't give a rat's ass if #4 and #12 were world class d'bags they gave us some great games. For a good part of my life getting that kind of QB play was not even in my wildest dreams to happen even once not twice.
64yo
I got to see Starr, a few years of fun with Dickey, Majik in '89, then Favre and Rodgers.
Bears fan had a refrigerator.
I try to not pay much attention to athletes' personal lives. Makes liking them on the playing field much easier and much more enjoyable.
Because they're putting out a rap video?
@Dr._Bob posted:Because they're putting out a rap video?
Jets aren't here....to cause no trouble...they're just here to do the Super Bowl Shuffle!😁
When has a Rodgers lead team ever lived up to the hype and gone wire to wire? Think about that for a moment.
Yes, the defense and special teams let the Packers down at times in the playoffs but so did he more often than not.
In that magical 2010 run I’d argue our defense backs and defense carried them more than 12. Yes, he put on a show against ATL but that’s about it.
As GB fans we know this about Rodgers. He always plays his best when he’s counted out but when he and the team are expected to do great things he in particular tends to wilt especially when the stakes are at their highest. We’ve had a front row seat to that movie the last few years.
I’m appreciative of what he did for GB but anyone thinking the Jets are a shoe in to win it all due to the addition of 8, well, you need to check yourself. No different than some people proclaiming Travis Hunter is best football player today at any level (yes, that’s an actual narrative out there) after one game in D1.
Rodgers is well past his prime like Favre was and I expect the same results. Even when Favre had a career year in MN where he threw something like 7 INTs the season still ended with him throwing a stupid pass. The consistency just won't be there. We saw it with Rodgers last season with so many unforced errors. He threw a ton of balls into the ground and behind receivers. Rodgers will have some good games but they won't all be good like in his prime.
There was a point where I always felt the Packers had the advantage at QB, they always had the best QB on the field no matter who they were playing. Even during his MVP seasons that was no longer always the case.
@Tschmack posted:In that magical 2010 run I’d argue our defense backs and defense carried them more than 12. Yes, he put on a show against ATL but that’s about it.
...and I'd argue against you.
To gloss over what he did in Atlanta then not say anything about his performance in the Super Bowl. I'm not letting that slide.
That third down throw to Jennings, Ryan Clark slightly tipped it, both teams knew what play was coming and they still completed it for a first down when the defense was 100% gassed and they HAD to have that first down.
There's not too many guys on the planet that could make that throw when the defense knew exactly what was coming.
To discount Rodgers contributions during the Super Bowl run is revisionist history.
@PackerRick posted:The consistency just won't be there. We saw it with Rodgers last season with so many unforced errors. He threw a ton of balls into the ground and behind receivers.
How much of a factor was the broken thumb?
During the 2010 run, it was a complete Team of effort and success.
@H5 posted:During the 2010 run, it was a complete Team of effort and success.
Rodgers played a huge part in it, but they got really lucky on another huge part of it, and I would argue that the part they got lucky on influenced TTs decision making after that to a degree it hurt them.
TT invested heavily in DL/edge rusher the previous few years in both free agency and the draft. They had extended Cullen Jenkins for 4 years and 16 million in 2007 and went 4 years and 28 million with Ryan Pickett after the 2009 season. That was good money back then. They had used two first round picks the previous year to take BJ Raji and CM3. All 4 of those moves were home runs, but they used a lot of draft capital and cap space to do it. They already had big money in Woodson and Collins and needed to get some bargains somewhere else to make up for it. Rodgers on a relatively cheap contract and Jennings/Nelson/Jones on good deals helped, but it was getting 2 other Pro Bowl level talents at DB as UDFAs on cheap contracts that was as big as anything else they did.
Tramon Williams was still cheap at the start of 2010 (they extended him during the year) and Sam Shields would have likely been a high first round pick had they redrafted the 2010 draft after that season. Shields and Tramon were huge all year and in the playoffs. Both had interceptions that sealed playoff victories.
The problem after 2010 was that TT continued to think they were going to find guys like Tramon and Shields as UDFAS or late round picks and prioritized trying to keep and develop more guys like them instead of being more aggressive in free agency or trading up in the draft for more "sure" things as talents.
@H5 posted:How much of a factor was the broken thumb?
None, or he wouldn't have been out there.
@Boris posted:...and I'd argue against you.
To discount Rodgers contributions during the Super Bowl run is revisionist history.
The Packers won the final 6 games that season, each was an elimination game. He had 4 really strong games and a couple not so great against the Bears, but still wins.
@PackerRick posted:None, or he wouldn't have been out there.
I disagree with that.
IMO, #12 did not want Love coming in. Much in the same way Favre didn't want Rodgers coming in after Dallas in 2007.
I had assumed he was joking.
@PackerRick posted:None, or he wouldn't have been out there.
LOL, i guess you forget Brett had a broken hand early on one season and played the whole year. It may have not stopped his or ARs ability to suit up but it definitly affected their ability to throw like he always had. To discount that or the other injuries he had would be disinguous.
Rodgers wasn’t the reason they beat Chicago in the NFCCG to get to the Super Bowl. They advanced in spite of him in that game.
He was brilliant in the Atlanta game and was pretty decent in the Super Bowl. But let’s not forget Tramon Williams sealed the win against Philly and his pick 6 changed all the momentum in the ATL game.
Charles Woodson getting hurt in the Super Bowl practically cost them a ring. Had that game gone on another quarter GB may not have won that game. The Collins TD and CMIII forced fumble were just as impactful as the late Jennings completion.
You look at that 2010 playoff run and I’m not sure I’ve ever seen better play from GBs corners and safeties in my lifetime watching Packers football. You also saw the impact of Woodson missing the second half in the SB as Pittsburgh went after Jarrett Bush early and often.
Over a decade later they still haven’t come close to replacing Nick Collins. He was on his way to becoming a potential HOF player before the injury.
Don't disagree @Tschmack - but to simply poo poo Rodgers contributions as just "average" isn't right either.
The Bear NFCCG, I think he was going to go off against them too. Rodgers scored that rushing TD to start the game and got blasted in the back. I don't think he was right after that hit & the Bears always played that safe Tampa 2 (Lovie) defense which requires patience from the QB to dink and dunk your way down the field moving the sticks. Rodgers always wanted the splash play & he couldn't get it.
The defense definitely came through vs. The Bears and let's not forget it wasn't against Jay Cutler either.... Good old Caleb Hanie 🤭 helped propel the Pack to the OWL 🦉 that year.
Believe AR said his best play in that game was a tackle that prevented a likely pick-six. As well as he played against the Falcons he was equally bad against the Bears.
@Tschmack posted:Over a decade later they still haven’t come close to replacing Nick Collins. He was on his way to becoming a potential HOF player before the injury.
The two biggest factors in not winning the Super Bowl after the 2011 season were Nick Collins' career ending neck injury and Philbin's son dying the week of the Giants' playoff game.
The Packers won 6 must win games. Rodgers didn't play well against the Bears in 2 games but his QB rating in the other 4 was 111,122, 140, and 136.
He did tackle Urlacher and save a TD
@Tschmack posted:Rodgers wasn’t the reason they beat Chicago in the NFCCG to get to the Super Bowl. They advanced in spite of him in that game.
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If only the Packers could have had Brett Hundley, Graham Harrell or Scott Tolzien available then. They could have put the Bears away much earlier. If Rodgers was not the QB of that game, the Packers don't go to the super bowl. A lot of blame for Rodgers. Don't forget that Lovie had the Bears defense playing pretty damn good back in those days and may have been the best defense the Packers faced that year. I guess you think that great players playing against other great players and schemes should have no problem. Tough Crowd these days....
The Bears won the division, not the Packers. They must have been good at something. Rodgers beat them twice in the last month of the season. Combined in the two games the Packers had 180 yards rushing, 60 by Rodger probably running for his life.
