Official 2019 Draft Thread

Herschel posted:

Let's play "worst case scenario".  For me, I think it's Nasir Adderly. The current buzz is he, Gardner-Johnson and Thornhill could all be gone by #30. There are a number of safeties I like in this draft, but those are my top three and also fill a glaring need. I likely take the extra picks for #30, and I'll roll the dice on Polite if he truly falls well in to the second. 

  Thats good football knowledge there Herschel,,  thanks

on the Walter Cherepinsky mock today, he has Jachai Polite falling  all the way to number  48,  which puts him right in our crosshairs at  44.

http://walterfootball.com/draft2019_2.php

12 is too high for Adderley IMO. Nice looking prospect though. Also, I expect GB to pick up a stud S in FA. 

Given your scenario, I’d strongly consider D. Bush at 12....or Gary. Regardless, there will be at least one or two QB’s taken before 12 and most likely the speedy WR as well. GB will get a gem of a defensive prospect at 12 if they want one. 

No to Gary, college production is no where near what his physical attributes suggest. I would rather have Tillery from ND

If one of Bosa, Williams or Allen are there at five and that team offers the 5th pick to Gute for 12 and 30, is it a no brainer to move up and grab one. I would say yes. That scenario could happen if two QBs go in teh top 5. 

Definitely for Bosa and Williams, not so hot on Allen. Allen just seems too perfect...size is great, measurables are great, resume is outstanding, etc. He has a very high floor, but then again so did AJ Hawk. Allen is a finished product IMO, I would pick him at 12 because he's a great player but I'm not sure his upside is higher than the upside we would get from picks 12 and 30. It's a deep draft. 

Grave Digger posted:

Daniel Jeremiah's Mock 1.0

PICK

12

Noah Fant - TE

School: Iowa | Year: Junior 
The Packers give Aaron Rodgers a younger version of Jimmy Graham.

PICK

30

Erik McCoy - OL

School: Texas A&M | Year: Junior (RS) 

McCoy can play all three interior positions and would be a Day 1 starter for the Packers.

I actually really like this. Both guys are plus athletes at positions of need and are experienced proven performers. 

Dalton RIsner may also be available at #30. Risner can also play any position on the OL. I certainly would not mind either Risner or McCoy at 30. Both are day one starters.

Floridarob posted:

If one of Bosa, Williams or Allen are there at five and that team offers the 5th pick to Gute for 12 and 30, is it a no brainer to move up and grab one. I would say yes. That scenario could happen if two QBs go in teh top 5. 

I saw a mock that had several QBs go in the Top 10 spots. In that mock, Quinnen Williams fell to GB at 12. If that happens, I think you have to take him. Then, what GB does at #30 becomes very interesting. Do we take what's left of the Edge Rushers? Go TE, S or OL? In that mock GB took Noah Fant at #30. What if Ed Oliver were to drop to #12, instead of Williams? I think we would have to take him, don't you? Either Williams or Oliver would improve the DL, which is already pretty good, a lot. 

ammo posted:

Herschel posted:

 

The top 11 picks are Bosa, Josh Allen, Ferrell, Burns, Sweat, Q. Williams, Ed Oliver, Devin White, Jonah Williams, Jawaan Taylor, Byron Murphy which is, coincidentally, your top tier. +

 

You don' think any QBs will go in the top 11?  Weird. 

Two mocks I saw had the top four QBs gone by pick 15. I think that will hold true for the real draft, too.

I don't see how Williams falls.  He was already considered a top 3 pick and then he crushed the combine.  I've heard no red flags so hard to see him falling past #5, let alone all the way to #12

Only guys that I see possibly falling that would make me move away from Sweat or Burns are Oliver and White.  I think both are potential all-pros.  They aren't as high priority needs as edge rusher but both are that good.  

mrtundra posted:

I saw a mock that had several QBs go in the Top 10 spots. In that mock, Quinnen Williams fell to GB at 12.

You can absolutely throw that out. Only way Green Bay gets Q is if Gutey trades up to #3 and Kyler & Bosa go #1 & #2. 

I wouldn't be surprised to see Q go to the Niners at #2 as well. Pair him up with Deforest Buckner. Yeah I think Quinnen is that good. 

Scot McCloughan called him "Warren Sapp"

Why was he cussing him out?

Great read:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/...-happens-nfl-combine

Thanks for the link that is a great link.  Indy is a very under rated town and I live about 2 hours from Indy and we go there quite frequently and always for the Big Ten championship game.  

The Harry and Izzy's shrimp cocktail they mentioned in that article is great and does have a decent kick to it.  Last year we watched  Joey Chestnut eat around 11 POUNDS of it in 10 minutes.  

Hunter Renfro to replace Cobb?

My 4 favorite slot receivers are; Samuels, Isabella, Hart, & Renfrow

FLPACKER posted:

My 4 favorite slot receivers are; Samuels, Isabella, Hart, & Renfrow

What rounds you think they'll go in?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/...drew-lock-to-raiders

I think the Murray to the Tardinals is just smoke trying to generate interest in the top pick so they can trade for more draft capital. No way they are looking to pull the plug on Rosen this quick after spending a first on him.

YATittle posted:

FLPACKER posted:

My 4 favorite slot receivers are; Samuels, Isabella, Hart, & Renfrow

What rounds you think they'll go in?

Best guesses

Samuels- 2

Isabella - 3

Hart - 5 / 6 

Renfrow - 4/5

mrtundra posted:

Grave Digger posted:

Daniel Jeremiah's Mock 1.0

PICK

12

Noah Fant - TE

School: Iowa | Year: Junior 
The Packers give Aaron Rodgers a younger version of Jimmy Graham.

PICK

30

Erik McCoy - OL

School: Texas A&M | Year: Junior (RS) 

McCoy can play all three interior positions and would be a Day 1 starter for the Packers.

I actually really like this. Both guys are plus athletes at positions of need and are experienced proven performers. 

Dalton RIsner may also be available at #30. Risner can also play any position on the OL. I certainly would not mind either Risner or McCoy at 30. Both are day one starters.

Unless they’re not.  It’s a crapshoot gentlemen.  

Boris posted:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/...drew-lock-to-raiders

Not a fan. Jaylon Ferguson strikes me as a less nimble Nick Perry who should play with his hand down. 

Agree, I'd be shocked if we took Ferguson that high

Boris posted:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/...drew-lock-to-raiders

Lock at #4?  well that would be a very Raiders like thing to do.  I think the guy is decent but not sure he is #4 overall good.  But then again every year teams reach for QB's.

I am very much on the fence about Murray and I am just not sold that he is a #1 overall type of QB.  I am with Congo on this one and wondering if the whole Murray thing is a way to trade out of #1 and get more picks.

Now that the Giants have traded away Olivier Vernon, I'm guessing they will be targeting a pass rusher like Josh Allen or Montez Sweat at 3 (if Bosa is a gone). 

My guess for picks 1-11 right now:

1 Arizona Cardinals - Kyler Murray
2 San Francisco 49ers - Nick Bosa
3 New York Jets - Josh Allen
4 Oakland Raiders - Devin White
5 Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Greedy Williams
6 New York Giants - Montez Sweat
7 Jacksonville Jaguars - Quinnen Williams
8 Detroit Lions - Jawaan Taylor
9 Buffalo Bills - DK Metcalf
10 Denver Broncos - Drew Lock
11 Cincinnati Bengals - Clelin Ferrell

Leaving GB to choose from: Devin Bush, Rashan Gary, Ed Oliver, Jonah Williams, Brian Burns, Christian Wilkins as the top talent available. Of that group my preference would be Burns or trade back and target Hockensen, Fant, Bradbury, or Baker. 

So Digger are you thinking that the Giants pass on Haskins as Eli's replacement?

I don't think the Gmen will pass up a QB. It is time.

I think so, the just traded their top pass rusher, so unless they’re planning to drop some coin on a pass rusher in free agency I’m guessing they will rely on Eli 1 more year. They’re cap situation is the same as GBs so they likely can’t pursue a bunch of FA’s. They have a QB, they don’t have a pass rusher.

Also don't see OAK taking Bush at 4.  They need an EDGE and WR#1.

If I were building this team I would pick BPA, but definitely with an eye towards a dominant offensive line. I’m tired of seeing all the high picks go to the defense while our offense starts to crumble.

DH13 posted:

Also don't see OAK taking Bush at 4.  They need an EDGE and WR#1.

Me either, I have Devin White there.  

Nor Bush. 

Grave Digger posted:

They have a QB, they don’t have a pass rusher.

No they don't. Eli is done. I'm positive that if Gettleman thinks the QB & pass-rushers available are equal (meaning either are blue-chip type players) he would definitely choose QB over the pass-rushers. 

Finding a blue-chip QB is more difficult than a blue-chip pass rusher. Both are needed but if so, the QB is the correct selection in the Giants situation. Hell, I'd say it's the correct selection in the Packers situation if true.

Grave Digger posted:

7 Jacksonville Jaguars - Quinnen Williams

If Williams drops to 7, I wonder what it would take to trade up and get him.  A 2nd?  I think WIlliams may be that good to warrant a trade up.  

Been working on my Mock Draft for 2020. Hit a major road block in Round 3 with 107th pick who I project going to Denver. If you have ideas please pm me.

Same here, but I settled on them trading the pick.  Really set things on fire after that

Unless you believe none of these QBs are worth a top 10 pick, then you absolutely take a pass rusher like Williams, Allen or Sweat. I don't particularly like any of these QBs in the top 10 which is why I think the Giants will pass. Gettleman comes from Carolina, he worked to bolster the running game and the defensive front 7 there in 4 drafts. True he already had a QB, but seems like that's the identity he wanted for his team. He's already passed on a QB once to take a RB, isn't a stretch to think he passes again. 

I can actually see Gruden taking Haskins @4.  I think he really doesn't like Carr and would dump him like he did so much other talent.   He wants to build a team from the ground up and Carr does not fit into those plans. 

Grave Digger posted:

He's already passed on a QB once to take a RB, isn't a stretch to think he passes again. 

That was for Saquon Barkley. If the Browns had taken Barkley, I can 100% guarantee the Giants would've taken Mayfield.

It isn't a stretch to see him pass on the QB again because there are so many good defensive players. I just don't think he will. 

Let's find out in April. 

I really don't understand the projections of TE's as first round draft picks for the Packers.  Thinking back to the hype of very athletic TEs, they tend not to be difference makers or outright busts (Austin Safarian-Jenkins, Eric Ebron, etc.).  Would much rather take a pass-rusher at 12 and fast, rangy 3-down ILB at 30 (D. Bush, if available).