Maybe the Jets are thinking two second round picks for Rodgers. As a fan I want more but that may be their best offer. Yet, If they also throw in a swap of first round places I would jump on that deal.
Im thinking the swap will be part of any deal. Packers save face on the negotiating front with the fans by technically walking away with 13th pick.
if we get 42 and 43 even if we have to swap 15 and 13, id be ok wid it
@Satori posted:.
Pier Reviewed
Ooof, Iâd love to peer review that. ðĪĪ
@PackerRick posted:The Jets havenât landed Aaron Rodgers yet, but they keep adding more offensive weapons in anticipation of the trade. Wide receiver Mecole Hardman agreed to terms with the Jets on a one-year deal that could be worth as much as $6.5 million, NFL Media reported.
Yup! Getting rid of that young talent and replacing them with vets. Is their GM even earning his pay? Letting poor 12 do his job.
Can a guy be a GM on 2 different teams at the same time?
He owns the Packers and the bears
@Goalline posted:Yup! Getting rid of that young talent and replacing them with vets. Is their GM even earning his pay? Letting poor 12 do his job.
Hardman is only 14 months older than Christian Watson, ran the same 40 as Moore, has not requested a trade from the same Jets previously, and the Jets gained a much higher Day 2 draft pick.
Doesn't seem too bad.
It also gives them flexibility. If they can get a pick back from Green Bay, between 78 - 170, they they don't lose any picks, numbers-wise, by trading #13 for Rodgers.
Wonder if that is a move to trade their 2 R2's for Rodgers
Or maybe their 1 and 2 for Rodgers and they still have a 2 this year.
@Iowacheese posted:Wonder if that is a move to trade their 2 R2's for Rodgers
Seems likely
A double deuce gooses the Gute , loosens the noose, induces a truce
Film at 11
Some very interesting scenarios now if I was sitting first chair
obviously we did not want Elijah Moore.
I would be thrilled with both R2âs And a conditional pick next year and something for 25 if ARod plays in 24
Hell in the interest of justice we take Corey Davis. He is a good blocker. And has been a team captain. Wide receiver room could probably use a little of that leadership.
Lose Corey as a free agent in 24 get a comp.
Jets are after Odell( Hello from the other side) Beckham
i âm guessing this all comes together in fairly short order now.
The Moore trade could be directly related to a Rodgers trade. Maybe the Packers didn't want Moore, who the Jets were trying to dump on them, as part of the trade so the Jets turned him into a draft pick which is more appealing to the Packers. But with the Jets giving up their #3 in the trade I doubt they would send both #2s to the Packers.
Yep. Now they have another second round pick to use.
@Herschel posted:Hardman is only 14 months older than Christian Watson, ran the same 40 as Moore, has not requested a trade from the same Jets previously, and the Jets gained a much higher Day 2 draft pick.
Doesn't seem too bad.
Christian Watson hasn't requested a trade from the Jets either.
@Iowacheese posted:Some very interesting scenarios now if I was sitting first chair
Hell in the interest of justice we take Corey Davis. He is a good blocker. And has been a team captain. Wide receiver room could probably use a little of that leadership.
Corey Davis has a fat 2023 salary and is potentially a cut candidate per some of the reports. Fortunately, our first chair people are aware of this and won't trade assets for a WR on a bloated contract unless that WR agrees to a new, more favorable deal. Maybe that's happening in the background
Corey Davis OTC valuation is $5 M, his contract is $10M.
( Lazard valuation was $10.8M for reference)
Thank you Captain Obvious
This first chair is aware of his contract.
A little give and take.
you will never make it to the chair with that arrogance and talking down.
Trade value we'd get with various trades:
- #13 pick - value 1150, same as #13 pick (duh)
- Swap 1sts, plus 42 & 43 - value 1050, same as #15 pick
- 42 & 43 - value 950, same as #17 pick
Lots of options now for a 1st round equiv pick this year.
@Fedya posted:You're about as likely to score as Goldie is with Rodgers.
Er, quite a bit less likely, actually.
@Iowacheese posted:Thank you Captain Obvious
This first chair is aware of his contract.
A little give and take.
you will never make it to the chair with that arrogance and talking down.
All this first chair talk just convinces me that you all deserve the chair.
@Iowacheese posted:Thank you Captain Oblivious
fixed
@Goalline posted:... just convinces me that you all deserve the chair.
What if the X4 owners handed out death sentences for posting stooopid posts ?
Would there be a single soul left here ?
Which reminds me - the only truly level playing field - is a cemetery
@Iowacheese posted:This first chair is aware of his contract.
A little give and take.
âThey have some weapons over there, thatâs no secret. One guy who doesnât quite get the credit he deserves, and Iâve loved watching this dude play for a while, is Corey Davis. Had some tough breaks but that guy special.â
Getting both their seconds appeals to me more than the first-rounder because it gives Gutey more opportunities to move up as needed (value is very similar anyway).
@michiganjoe posted:Getting both their seconds appeals to me more than the first-rounder because it gives Gutey more opportunities to move up as needed (value is very similar anyway).
It's supposed to be the equivalent of pick 17 overall. By taking the 2's we can pick up four players in the top 50 or move up the board as desired. However, all the national talking heads would be nonstop, at least through the draft, about how the Packers caved to the Jets.
@Tschmack posted:Of course the ESPN/NFL apparatus is desperate to get Rodgers in NY. The league office is based there and ESPN might as well be based there.
The hype and related media bonanza would be off the charts and fill the void created by no legit basketball presence (Knicks or Nets), no college presence (football or basketball), and mediocre to slightly above mediocre NFL w/the Giants.
Yes the Yankees still run that town and own the market, and the Mets are trying to buy their way into relevancy, but MLB is nothing compared to a decent Knicks team or Giants or Jets team in that corridor.Not to mention when you look at the Jets 2023 schedule there would be some phenomenal matchups. Chiefs, Giants, at the Cowboys, at Vegas, Eagles, 2 against the Bills, 2 against the up and coming Dolphins, etc. The ratings for those games would be off the charts.
You know a Thanksgiving game would be in order for the Jets and Cowboys, if Rodgers went to the Jets.
@Satori posted:âThey have some weapons over there, thatâs no secret. One guy who doesnât quite get the credit he deserves, and Iâve loved watching this dude play for a while, is Corey Davis. Had some tough breaks but that guy special.â
I think heâs like a lot of talented guys who donât live up to the hype. He has a hard time staying healthy which has stunted development a bit. I wouldnât call him special, but I think heâd be a really good #2 WR if he stayed healthy.
Thatâs the problem though. He looked like he was emerging as a good WR in 2020 as the complement to AJ Brown but hasnât been healthy since then. If you canât stay on the field, no matter how talented you are, your value is decreased.
Wouldnât have a problem with a couple of 2s as equivalency is a middle of 1st round pick.
The Jets want to upgrade their OL. They stand a better chance of getting 1 or even 2 OL with picks 42 & 43 than they do with pick #13.
The Packers want an impact WR, TE or rush DE. They stand a better chance of getting that player at #13 then they do at #42 & 43.
If the value is the same the Jets would be stupid to hang onto #13 and not get Rodgers. Why can't they see that? Hold the line Gutey and get that #13. And keep the # 15 too.
It isn't exactly the same. 13 is valued by 150-200 points better. It's something like 950 compared to 1150.
Several charts out there that give different values. I view them as like the when-to-go-for-two charts- a general guideline but nothing more.
The two seconds rounders offers much more flexibility and strikes me as the far better trade than the one first.
If looking for depth 2 seconds is better. If looking for impact player 1 high first should be better. JMHO. What does anybody really know?
The Jets still have quite a bit of work to do cap-wise to absorb any Rodgers' cap hit if they are trying to lowball draft picks in a trade. As it stands, Rodgers has close to a $16mm cap hit for the Jets in a trade (absent cap absorption/restructuring).
The Jets only have a little over $10mm in cap space right now, but it goes down to about $5mm when you factor in the NFL Draft Rookie Pool resources for 2023.
FO would be crazy not to take two 2nd rounder picks in 2023 and a conditional 2024.
The two top OL in the draft, Skoronski and Johnson? could be available at #13. May be what NYJ are hoping for if they keep that pick.
As far as Gute's success rate of RD1/RD2 picks:
Quay Walker, Davante Wyatt/Christian Watson
Eric Stokes/Josh Meyers
Jordon Love/AJ Dillon
Rashan Gary, Darnell Savage/Elgton Jenkins
Jaire Alexander/Josh Jackson
At this point it kind of looks like a push as to which round he did better in, slightly better in RD1. But having 2 or even 3 in RD2 would certainly up the odds of finding a blue chipper.
@DH13 posted:The two top OL in the draft, Skoronski and Johnson? could be available at #13. May be what NYJ are hoping for if they keep that pick.
As far as Gute's success rate of RD1/RD2 picks:
Quay Walker, Davante Wyatt/Christian Watson
Eric Stokes/Josh Meyers
Jordon Love/AJ Dillon
Rashan Gary, Darnell Savage/Elgton Jenkins
Jaire Alexander/Josh Jackson
At this point it kind of looks like a push as to which round he did better in, slightly better in RD1. But having 2 or even 3 in RD2 would certainly up the odds of finding a blue chipper.
If the Packers pick up both of the Jets' 2nd round picks that would give the Packers the 15th, 42nd, 43rd, and 45th picks...
If they can't find something with that then the FO needs to be replaced. Those 4 picks could significantly alter the coming years. Those three 2nd round picks could shave a year or more off any "rebuild" or "reload" process if they do it right.
Having picks 42, 43, and 45 would also make it pretty easy to move up into the end of Round 1 and/or the beginning of Round 2.
Itâs tough to say whatâs better - the Jets 13th overall pick or their two 2nd rounders.
For me, Iâd prefer the 13th overall pick. It would allow GB to either package both 1s to move into the top 10 or allow them to trade back later into R1 and get more picks.
The real question is with either scenario what other draft compensation is on the table? I would still think if you are the Packers you want conditional draft collateral in 2024 if Rodgers plays well in 2023 or if plays in 2024 something is on the table for 2025.
@NumberThree posted:The Jets still have quite a bit of work to do cap-wise to absorb any Rodgers' cap hit if they are trying to lowball draft picks in a trade. As it stands, Rodgers has close to a $16mm cap hit for the Jets in a trade (absent cap absorption/restructuring).
The Jets only have a little over $10mm in cap space right now, but it goes down to about $5mm when you factor in the NFL Draft Rookie Pool resources for 2023.
FO would be crazy not to take two 2nd rounder picks in 2023 and a conditional 2024.
If the Jets cut Davis as speculated their cap problems are resolved. I think they want the Packers to take Davis as compensation to offset the Rodgers cap hit. I like the two #2s because it gives the Packers 3 picks together in round 2. The conditional pick should be in 2025 if Rodgers plays in 2024. The Jets are more likely to go for that.