Tagged With "Big Ten Championship"
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Re: Positives and negatives
Perhaps those who call for firing MM can identify the candidate who will replace him. No, it won't be Cowher, Gruden, or Dungy...they aren't leaving the broadcast booth. Harbaugh?? Not leaving Michigan, his alma mater, 2 years in (unless he wins a national championship this year). So who is the wonder coach to be brought in?
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Re: Playoffs
If they win out, they probably need one other thing to happen to get in. They were at #7 last week and Texas AM lost, so they should bump up to #6. If they win out that means that both OSU and Michigan will have lost, so the only other teams currently ranked above them are Alabama, Clemson, Washington, and Louisville. If all those teams win out, they would be out of the playoff. If Alabama, Clemson, and Washington lose once, they still might stay in front of a two loss Wisconsin team. There...
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Re: Positives and negatives
Cowher had 15 seasons, made playoffs ten times, lost in the AFC championship four times, made two Super Bowl appearances and had one Super Bowl win. Not that dissimilar to McCarthy and his playoff appearance record, and he has been out of coaching 10 years. Not seeing it. Not that this is an endorsement of MM. Since the loss to Seattle in the 2014 championship game, the offense has been mediocre to awful, he and the QB don't appear to be on the same page (or, at least, AR doesn't respect...
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Re: Playoffs
I agree that game is a much bigger hurdle especially if they play O$U. Getting that team on a neutral field in a dome is kind of scary and this feels like 2014 all over again. I don't think they would get whacked 59-0 again but it would be a tough situation to play them. I have tickets to the Big Ten championship so hopefully it will be more competitive this time.
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Re: Positives and negatives
McCarthy has a week to get his team back. TEN won't be a push over if the Packers play next Sunday like they did yesterday.
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Re: Playoffs
So if Wisconsin wins the next 2 weeks and Penn State wins the next 2 weeks and Ohio State beats Meeechigan Badgers and Penn State play for the Big Ten Championship. How sweet would that be? Can a 2 loss Badger team leap a 1 loss Ohio State for the playoffs?
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Re: Playoffs
See, Badgers still get NO respect. A 2 loss Penn State makes the playoff if they win the BIG 10 but a 2 loss Badger team is replaced by Ohio State if Bucky wins the Big Ten. Talk about bullschit!!!!!!!!!!!!!! https://www.landof10.com/big-t...wisconsin-penn-state
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Re: Playoffs
Fans talk. Players play. Everything is automatically contingent on them winning out. But I'm of the mind that the Badgers will not be final 4 even if they win the B1G Championship if they don't get a revenge win. It has to be one of the two- Michigan or OSU. If its Penn State, there is going to be a perception that OSU or Michigan is still better.
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Re: Playoffs
The more I think about it and hear pundit's blathering, the more I think this is the case. Item 1: Beat Purdue this weekend. As noted, it's really out of our control. Obviously nobody was impressed by the huge win over IL. We need to keep getting huge wins and dominating defensive play even with all the injuries. Now with Meeechigan loosing their QB, it's going to make this harder for us as far as the polls go. Fact is, we have to win the B1G. No way about it and we can't control the rest.
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Re: Playoffs
If they don't win the next two games - not to mention the Big Ten championship game- it really doesn't matter. Take care of your business first. Louisville losing was a big deal as was the Washington loss last week. I see the Huskies probably losing one more game either against WSU or in the conference championship game. Also have to pull for another Clemson loss but that is less likely than Washington losing another game.
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Re: Playoffs
Badgers control it themselves. If they win out and win the Big Ten they are not going to be shut out of the playoff. Two Big Ten teams will be in. MI lost to an unranked team and remained at #3?????? That will be corrected in the vote next week. Then if MI loses to OSU.....MI will drop down to around 10 or 11 in the rankings.
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Re: Playoffs
I agree, if the Badgers win the BigTen Championship, they are in the top 4. Lose either of the next two games, fuhgetabowtit
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Re: Playoffs
WHEN OSU beats MI.....MI will have a loss to OSU and a loss to unranked Iowa. WI will have losses to #2 OSU and #3 MI and have beaten Iowa. You cannot lose to an unranked team and be #3 ahead of WI IMO. If WI beats PS...Bucky will have ANOTHER Top 10 win. Washington's reseme isn't even close....if WI beats PS and wins the Big Ten.
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Re: Playoffs
Yeah Baby! I just finished watching the game (TiVO). Took the kids up to Mount Laguna and Julian today and with the rain and traffic, it took forever to get back home. Let's beat Penn State first and then let the chips fall where they may. Beating PSU means at least the Rose Bowl. I would love to be in the top 4 for the playoffs. Our Defense and coaching is definitely Championship caliber. But, I just don't know if the committee believes our offense is a top 4 playoff offense. Let's win the...
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Re: Playoffs
Hey, I'm with ya Cave. I'm just trying to guess what the committee will look at when/if it comes down to Alabama, O$U, Clemson, Washington, Wisconsin, and even Michigan. That's all. As was mentioned earlier, Bucky is not as "sexy" to the national media like some other schools (at this time anyway). Maybe that will change after the B1G Championship.
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Re: Playoffs
I think Ohio State is in no matter what. I hate that team but 4 wins against top 10 teams is nothing to sneeze at. Where it could get interesting if it's Penn State that wins the BT championship game and Clemson and Washington don't lose but Penn State beat Ohio State so I think they are also in and in that scenario Washington is probably out. The Wisconsin resume doesn't look as strong now as LSU and Michigan State and Nebraska aren't as good as their rankings were when they played them and...
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Re: Playoffs
Michigan really had their way with the UW OL and unlike Ohio State the Badgers couldn't run the ball as well. I actually think UW would have a better chance of beating the Bucks than UM. Either scenario wouldn't be very likely. Penn State is probably the best draw of the three. However, UW playing and beating a Michigan or Ohio State in the BT championship game would have made UW a lock for the final four. Now they need help IMO as Ohio State is in for sure I think?
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Re: Playoffs
The Big Ten is the best conference in the country. If the winner of the best conference doesn't get in there is something wrong. Washington has beaten nobody.
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Re: Playoffs
I don't see Wisconsin if they win the game as a shoe in without help meaning a loss by Washington This sounds like it should be true. The problem is that the most obviously best teams are not playing in the Championship game. That does not mean that the winner (especially the Badgers) should not be included should they win, but by losing both of those games, they left the door open. It looks better on paper if the people in the playoff are all zero or one loss teams. Michigan maybe should be...
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Re: Playoffs
This is what kind of gets me. There is now a mentality in things I have been hearing and reading that now apparently they also want a "better game". So is it the whole body of work or is it who would give a better game? It seems to shift around constantly if they are talking about a blue blood program. And no one will say it but I guarantee you that they want as many blue bloods in the playoff as they possibly can and will use any excuse in the book to make it happen. Think about if for a...
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Re: Playoffs
I also have to think Michigan is still in the discussion regardless of the BT championship game especially if a Clemson or Washington loses again. UM might have 2 losses, but they own head to head comparisons by beating UW and throttling Penn State. That's 2 top 10 wins not including the Colorado win that looks pretty good right now.
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Re: Playoffs
Michigan does have a pretty strong case. They have a better case than Washington does. You gotta play good teams, and teams that don't should be punished for it. The top of the B1G has done that. OSU played Oklahoma, Michigan played Colorado, Wisconsin played LSU... the only team that didn't schedule a quality non-conference opponent is Penn State. Their rise to the B1G championship game is really quite flukey. Really that's what the conversation should be about- not about if Wisconsin/Penn...
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Re: Playoffs
As much as I'd like Bucky to get to the playoff, I think it's unlikely they get in. I think they'll either take Ohio State or the UW/Penn State winner, but not both. I think it's Alabama, Clemson, Washington, Big10 team. If they are really serious about the conference championship games, then Ohio State should be out, but I think they'll take OSU over Wisconsin or Penn State. Even if Clemson or Washington lose, I think they'll be a lot of momentum for Oklahoma to go if they beat Oklahoma...
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Re: Playoffs
I think the committee factors in multiple criteria, but at the end of the day they pick who they believe are the best 4 teams in the country. I agree that the B1G winner SHOULD go, along with the SEC and PAC12 winners as those teams have gone through a gauntlet of inter-conference play AND won a championship outright. The Big 12 needs a championship game to legitimize their champion. If you want to compare quality wins: -Michigan has the best argument with 4 wins vs. Top 25 teams with 3 of...
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Re: Playoffs
I heard what might be the most logical argument so far on the Big Ten contenders, but it's not necessarily good for Wisconsin. If you were to rank the top 4 teams in the Big Ten (forget West v East) right now UW is 3rd. Even with a win v Penn State I'm not sure they leapfrog Michigan. Why? They've already beaten 3 top 10 teams including both UW and Penn State. The other factor is Michigan is just a better team and more equipped to handle an Alabama or Clemson or even Ohio State in the...
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Re: Playoffs
I have to agree. Best case scenario was Michigan winning and Bucky winning the title game. Now even if Bucky wins, they are still going be be considered a lesser 2 win team. And, TBH, Michigan did beat both the B1G champs regardless. My argument would be that Bucky did not lose at Iowa like Michigan did... but head to head should count too. I would have loved a Michigan/Bucky title game. It would have been epic. But, it's not what is.... I can see the national arguments for what it should be...
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Re: Playoffs
Put Notre Dame and Iowa State in the Big Ten and the hell with the rest of Big 12.
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As much as I hate ND I would really like to see them in the Big Ten. They would never give up their NBC Notre Dame contract though and have to share any money. Iowa State would make some sense and you could almost make a case for Kansas St coming to the Big Ten as well.
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Re: Playoffs
A 12 team tournament would be the way to go to make the conference championships mean something, but the problem is there are 5 Power conferences instead of 4. You could award the top 4 rated POwer Conference champions an automatic bye, and then have the 5th go into an 8 team First Round playoff to see which four teams play the conference champs. I agree that this year will expose the fact that the conference championship is not that important. It's very likely that Penn State/Bucky winner...
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Re: Playoffs
I've been reading some things the last couple days that say Michigan will likely be the odd man out. The winner of Wisconsin/Penn St. will likely get the 4th playoff spot if either Clemson or Washington lose, sending UMich to the Rose Bowl to face the Pac12 championship loser. There was also talk that if Clemson or Washington struggle with their championship opponent and Wisconsin or Penn St. win convincingly, that the top 10 could reshuffle with the B1G winner leapfrogging a couple teams.
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Re: Playoffs
Washington is up 31-7 in the 3rd quarter. There in. 1. Alabama (win or lose the SEC championship) 2. Ohio State 3. Washington Clemson if they beat Virginia Tech
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Re: Hitler vs Stalin game thread (NE vs Seattle)
When the Packers faced Seattle 4 times between 2012-2015, I felt like Russell Wilson was very good but not elite. That is ancient history and quite frankly, I think Russell Wilson is now elite. His passing from the pocket has improved and he's going to be a pain in the ass to the rest of the NFC for the next 8-10 years if he stays healthy. I think at worst, Seattle gets to the NFC Championship game again this year and it wouldn't shock me at all to see them win it all with the combination of...
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Re: Interesting Post From an ND Football Board
If a coach has a 10 year life expectancy with a team Saban should be available next off season too. I'd love to tell my wife "No - I am not going to pain the walls - we are only going to be here for ten years - 2 maybe if I don't win". Probably a good way to get divorced.
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Re: Interesting Post From an ND Football Board
It's a decent thought though. He's a good coach, and they need one. Of course, gotta be able to recruit. That's the name of the game in college. But he can tun 11 personnel all damn day and it'll work with the right guys. But I'm pretty convinced that McCarthy is coaching his final season, and we'll all look back at the 2015 NFC Championship game as the delineation when it all started to go wrong. They don't appear to have ever recovered from it.
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Re: The Invisible Man known as Ted Thompson
Don't care whether Ted talks to the media or not. He didn't give them anything when he was hitting on drafts, and he hasn't given them anything while he has been missing on drafts. I do hope that the Packer brass (Board of Directors, Murphy, etc...) take a close look at how Ted has performed recently. Why has the draft success dropped off ? Is it the loss of John Dorsey, JohnShnieder, Reggie McKenzie, etc... ? Why have they drafted so many players from the PAC 12 lately ? They haven't...
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Re: The Invisible Man known as Ted Thompson
If you're not drafting at the top of the first round, you're not getting elite talent and your team will be relatively worse. Draft and develop is a concept to avoid taking players with major flaws to fill out your roster but it cannot make your team dominant. Beginning with the 1976 draft 46 first round draft choices have made the HOF. That compares with 26 other players from all other rounds (AND free agents) combined. What's more, 38 of those first rounders were chosen in the top half of...
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Re: 2016 (Team 96) WK14 Seahags @ GB GDT
I have mixed feelings on Russell Wilson. I rooted for him as a Badgers QB for 4 months, and off the field, he sounds like a guy that is trying to do things in life the right way. That said, I now view him as the enemy and he is a powerful strong enemy. You can never rest for 60 minutes against the guy. He has too many skills in his arsenal for you to ever think that you can relax when playing against him. In that dreaded 2014 Championship game, he was awful for about 55 minutes of that game.
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Re: 2016 (Team 96) WK14 Seahags @ GB GDT
Yes, my post looks pretty silly now doesn't it. Wilson looked like he had never played QB in his life. I'm not sad about being dead rong.
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Re: 2016 (Team 96) WK14 Seahags @ GB GDT
They're all too bummed about not getting a top ten pick in the next draft.
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Re: 2016 (Team 96) WK14 Seahags @ GB GDT
Chili you nailed my assessment of Wilson. I can do without some of his commentary but there is no question he is clutch. Just when you think they are dead and buried he makes some magical throws and plays. Think that heave against Michigan State in the BT championship game years ago. Down and out and his play basically wins it. Not so much yesterday. He was awful. Part of that is due to the Seattle OL (mediocre) but he was off. I also think Rollins and Randall made a difference. That's the...
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Re: 2016 (Team 96) WK14 Seahags @ GB GDT
I also believe his deep balls are accurate, especially when he's teabagging Pete Carroll.
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Re: 2016 (Team 96) WK14 Seahags @ GB GDT
In fairness, I think Chili was actually mocking my previous post much earlier in the thread praising the greatness of Wilson. It deserved to be somewhat mocked after yesterday.
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Re: Are you "feeling it" NOW? +/- Seahawks WIN!
Slipping can look like fear when someone wants you to see them coming to whip the chatter out of your dri-fit covered mouth. Was this theraputic for GB not going after a one armed Sherman in the Championship game? You bet your ass it was.
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Re: Are you "feeling it" NOW? +/- Seahawks WIN!
+ + D helped Russell Wilson do his best Favre impression Hundley able to ride out a win Pack excised the demon of the NFC Championship game vs SeaHags - - 2 gaffs by RBs resulting in Rodgers dives for loss. M*A*S*H unit continues. On to Chicago!
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Re: The Ugly, The Bad ...and the Good?
I like your analogy there. Winning the division at 7-9 or 8-8 might be a temporary "feel good" story, but it might actually be a detriment in terms of re-building this team to reach World Championship caliber. In 2014 when the Pack was borderline World Championship caliber, the strength of the team was Jordy Nelson, Aaron Rodgers, Randall Cobb, Clay Matthews, Julius Peppers, and Eddie Lacy. Since that time Nelson has hit age 30 and had a significant injury. Cobb also received a big contract,...
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Re: Texan's Week
Agreed. I think Clay might be frustrated because I remember during the dreaded NFC Championship game 2 years ago, Clay got flagged when blindsiding Russell Wilson on a block when Wilson was trying to tackle somebody on one of his 5 interceptions. I know I personally was pissed because Wilson wasn't just standing there like a dummy, he was genuinely looking to tackle somebody but they called the foul on Clay as he laid out Wilson good since he didn't see him coming from the side. The rules...
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Re: Nit laden Loins vs. Bucky - Big Ten Championship GDT
Cripes, who are these yahoo announcers?!?!